tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post114623953305481648..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: This Schism Is Brought to You by the IRDSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146373022811323742006-04-29T21:57:00.000-07:002006-04-29T21:57:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan, You and I both believe strongly in God...Rev. Susan, <BR/><BR/>You and I both believe strongly in God's grace and our own human fallibility at the same time. Yes, any one of us may have doubts, and the Holy Spirit can work on those doubts as we, by God's grace, become more like Christ. At any given time in our Christian lives, each one of us probably needs to pray, "Lord, I believe; help my unbelief," because we are always needing to Chip Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055858187692162039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146355878230367582006-04-29T17:11:00.000-07:002006-04-29T17:11:00.000-07:00"When all else fails, demonize your opponents...."..."When all else fails, demonize your opponents...."<BR/><BR/>And jg said, "if the shoe fits . . ."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146280165007351592006-04-28T20:09:00.000-07:002006-04-28T20:09:00.000-07:00hg's post points up a one of my own points--some o...hg's post points up a one of my own points--some of the dissidents seem more than happy to try to undermine and disparage every process our church has simply because they can't get persuade others that they have to do what they do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146272822922151592006-04-28T18:07:00.000-07:002006-04-28T18:07:00.000-07:00rmf: If you truly believe that "Our Church speaks ...rmf: If you truly believe that "Our Church speaks at...General Convention," then you confuse those who lobby for years at diocesan conventions to become G.C. delegates as representative of the Episcopal Church's membership-at-large, and - far more sadly, you misunderstand whose Church we are called to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146270147382761602006-04-28T17:22:00.000-07:002006-04-28T17:22:00.000-07:00I refer hiram to my prior post. Let me repost it s...I refer hiram to my prior post. Let me repost it so he may read it.<BR/><BR/>"Our church speaks at and is governed by, General Convention. When it is in session it is the world's largest deliberative body. This is how we discern the Spirit. <BR/><BR/>The dissidents in our church have not been able to persuade the majority of us in the Episcopal Church, that our church shoud be what they want. NowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146268683782534082006-04-28T16:58:00.000-07:002006-04-28T16:58:00.000-07:00So the Consultation uses only money from Episcopal...So the Consultation uses only money from Episcopalians?<BR/><BR/>As for unified action involving Christians from a variety of bodies -- it is because theological rot has set into not just one denomination, but into many -- and we who know that what we have in common in Christ is greater than denominational differences are willing to work and pray together to keep our denominations from being Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146263854573657492006-04-28T15:37:00.000-07:002006-04-28T15:37:00.000-07:00Our church speaks at and is governed by, General C...Our church speaks at and is governed by, General Convention. When it is in session it is the world's largest deliberative body. This is how we discern the Spirit. <BR/><BR/>The dissidents in our church have not been able to persuade the majority of us in the Episcopal Church, that our church shoud be what they want. Now, some of these are schismatics, and some of these have aligned with people Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146261721650196892006-04-28T15:02:00.000-07:002006-04-28T15:02:00.000-07:00hiram ... one small but essential corrective:When ...hiram ... one small but essential corrective:<BR/><BR/>When anyone organizes within the bounds of the historic polity of the church it is called legislative strategy. We win some and we lose some.<BR/><BR/>It starts to feel like conspiracy when outside money and influence is deployed to hijack the due process of a denomination and apply international pressure/blackmail to change the course of SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146260722491070462006-04-28T14:45:00.000-07:002006-04-28T14:45:00.000-07:00"A comprehension for the sake of truth" cannot on ..."A comprehension for the sake of truth" cannot on the one hand say, for example, that on the one hand Jesus was physically resurrected and on the other that he was not.<BR/><BR/>And might not the same argument have been made in the 16th century over those who believed the bread and wine made holy to BE the body of Christ and others who believed it to contain the REAL PRESENCE of the risen Christ?SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146250490809749642006-04-28T11:54:00.000-07:002006-04-28T11:54:00.000-07:00I'm so glad that the organization called "Integrit...I'm so glad that the organization called "Integrity" isn't organized for politcal positioning in ECUSA; that they don't have an agenda for ECUSA to embrace; oh wait ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146249920071070332006-04-28T11:45:00.000-07:002006-04-28T11:45:00.000-07:00When all else fails, demonize your opponents....Wh...When all else fails, demonize your opponents....<BR/><BR/>When progressives organize (I seem to recall an umbrella group called The Consultation), it is called good politics. When conservatives organize, it is called a conspiracy.<BR/><BR/>And -- compare what ECUSA and PCUSA (or its ancestor denominations) believed about God a century or so ago, and what conservative believe -- and then to what Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146246118023344882006-04-28T10:41:00.000-07:002006-04-28T10:41:00.000-07:00Susan, is this article a parody? This article is h...Susan, is this article a parody? <BR/><BR/>This article is hilarious! Yes, I've all ready ordered my copy of this book from Amazon and plan to take it to Columbus. But first I'm heading over to the IRD offices and get the staff to sign it (if they aren't too busy taking over the world). This is hilarious!<BR/><BR/>bb<BR/><BR/>PS Obviously Diane Knippers is still very connected with powerful Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1146245324249985922006-04-28T10:28:00.000-07:002006-04-28T10:28:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan,So because the IRD stands against progr...Rev. Susan,<BR/><BR/>So because the IRD stands against progressive theology and works for a "rebirth of orthodoxy" (to quote the title of Thomas Oden's book) in mainline denominations, it "has little to do with religion, except for control and contempt of it." Really?<BR/><BR/>If that's true, then take the next step: any ECUSA clergy or laity who take an orthodox theological position, resist the Chip Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055858187692162039noreply@blogger.com