tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post114815402641971467..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Better Than ThisSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-10554687097820614052007-04-16T16:58:00.000-07:002007-04-16T16:58:00.000-07:00Jeff,Actually, Shaw went from not believing in a G...Jeff,<BR/>Actually, Shaw went from not believing in a God to believing that "To me God does not yet exist; but there is a creative force struggling to evolve an executive organ of godlike knowledge and power; that is, to achieve omnipotence and omniscience; and every man and woman born is a fresh attempt to achieve this object. We are here to help God, to do his work, to remedy his whole errors, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148528657280185492006-05-24T20:44:00.000-07:002006-05-24T20:44:00.000-07:00It is my understanding that I am a miserable sinne...It is my understanding that I am a miserable sinner. But Cranmer understood "miserable" to relate to the Latin root "miserere" or mercy. Therefore, to be miserable is to be in need of mercy, which I undoubtedly am. May God have mercy on us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148402913863826012006-05-23T09:48:00.000-07:002006-05-23T09:48:00.000-07:00The list of "end of the road" moments is interesti...The list of "end of the road" moments is interesting. I would think, Rev. Susan, that instead of instilling confidence that you could keep on going exactly the way you have been, it might put you in mind of the guy in the flood who kept turning down rescues, waiting for God to save him.<BR/><BR/>One thing that the list does prove, anyway, is that whatever happens, ECUSA can't claim it wasn't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148392261568238322006-05-23T06:51:00.000-07:002006-05-23T06:51:00.000-07:00"We have strayed from what Jesus taught-- that rel..."We have strayed from what Jesus taught-- that religious institutions, the folks in power, have to always check themselves when using that power to keep down those without power. That Jesus hung out with those whom the religious authorities said he shouldn't.<BR/><BR/>"And that's where we are on this "issue" of GLBT inclusion.<BR/><BR/>Excuse this reasserter for popping in here, but in here, but Eric Swenssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18400445871547886836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148388983320734702006-05-23T05:56:00.000-07:002006-05-23T05:56:00.000-07:00Sorry, Jeff, for fixating on Shaw. It’s just that...Sorry, Jeff, for fixating on Shaw. It’s just that I relate to him so much. And I very much agree with you that we have strayed from Jesus’s teachings.<BR/><BR/>We want God on our own terms and not on God’s terms. We want to wander around in the desert knowing that God always will take us back, as though God somehow owed us mercy. (as though we could rewrite Jesus's story of the Prodigal Son?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148385643711881402006-05-23T05:00:00.000-07:002006-05-23T05:00:00.000-07:00To Jeff M.--I apologize for my troll comments on t...To Jeff M.--I apologize for my troll comments on titusonenine.<BR/><BR/>I did visit your site, but didn't want to register another password somewhere in order to comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148378726774643462006-05-23T03:05:00.000-07:002006-05-23T03:05:00.000-07:00Jeff---I think our ultimate disagreement can best ...Jeff---I think our ultimate disagreement can best be summed up by saying that I am a believer in the theology of the cross, and you believe in the theology of glory (as defined by Luther). If unfamiliar, I highly recommend Forde's "On Being a Theologian of the Cross." Fundamental difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148348022078353002006-05-22T18:33:00.000-07:002006-05-22T18:33:00.000-07:00Susan,Thank you for your thoughful answer. You are...Susan,<BR/>Thank you for your thoughful answer. You are asking a minority to stay in TEC, to continue the conversation. Will they feel safe enough to stay? Some will, but if many leave it will cause problems for TEC in the anglican Communion, as a number of primates will stick up for them. (not on the issues of property, but fellowhip).<BR/>Ironically, creating a safe space for dissidents will Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148347601119495252006-05-22T18:26:00.000-07:002006-05-22T18:26:00.000-07:00Dear Jeff,I looked at the sermon that you suggeste...Dear Jeff,<BR/>I looked at the sermon that you suggested and frankly, it contradicts so much of the Bible-- Psalms, John, any of Paul's letters (just to name a few, off the top of my head), I could not begin to start. <BR/><BR/>This is truly so, so sad that this kind of thing is being taught in our churches. So sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148342857063779372006-05-22T17:07:00.000-07:002006-05-22T17:07:00.000-07:00Jeff:Thank you for the clarification. It is helpf...Jeff:<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the clarification. It is helpful. (I didn't mean for the tone of my post to be so offensive. I'm sorry for that).<BR/><BR/>The adherents site noted: <BR/><BR/><I>Shaw began to spread "the Gospel of Shawianity."</I><BR/><BR/>Isn't this precisely the primary problem, that we want to spread our own gospel, instead of the Gospel?<BR/><BR/>Or, perhaps I'm just Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148332507207059732006-05-22T14:15:00.000-07:002006-05-22T14:15:00.000-07:00widening gyre ....In response to your question I'm...widening gyre ....<BR/><BR/>In response to your question I'm going to repost a piece I wrote three years ago ... Longing to Hope Again. <BR/><BR/>Check it out and see what you think.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148330261882561662006-05-22T13:37:00.000-07:002006-05-22T13:37:00.000-07:00I'm sorry, Susan. I thought the Bishops' Statemen...I'm sorry, Susan. I thought the Bishops' Statement was applicable to our conversation here. It seemed to me to shed light on how the orthodox are approaching General Convention- that the Windsor Report all ready is a compromise and it's up to ECUSA to decide is we are willing to accept the compromise or go our own way. It does seem as though the bishops are saying that it is the Anglican Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148328441503971112006-05-22T13:07:00.000-07:002006-05-22T13:07:00.000-07:00Susan,You wrote above, "I've spent years in the Di...Susan,<BR/><BR/>You wrote above, "I've spent years in the Diocese of Los Angeles participating in Reconciliation events focused on bringing together those with differences in order to find common ground."<BR/><BR/>I too have tried my hand at reconciling folks with diferences in order to find common ground. I wonder what your experience has taught you on reaching out to the conservative members Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148328389811319392006-05-22T13:06:00.000-07:002006-05-22T13:06:00.000-07:00Hi Jeff:Does it not trouble you when the final quo...Hi Jeff:<BR/><BR/>Does it not trouble you when the final quotation from your linked, Christian sermon is a lengthy statement by an avowed athiest? <BR/><BR/>Here are some other nuggets from the same man:<BR/><BR/>"At present there is not a single credible established religion in the world."<BR/>-- George Bernard Shaw, from the final paragraph in the Intruduction to Major Barbara<BR/><BR/>"CommonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148321743720189002006-05-22T11:15:00.000-07:002006-05-22T11:15:00.000-07:00Dear Jeff,It's not a self-esteem problem; it's an ...Dear Jeff,<BR/>It's not a self-esteem problem; it's an original sin problem. <BR/><BR/>If I'm o.k. and you're o.k., why did the Son of God have to die on a cross?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148319751483940712006-05-22T10:42:00.000-07:002006-05-22T10:42:00.000-07:00for "babyblue" -- please stick to offering comment...for "babyblue" -- please stick to offering comments on posted articles rather than posting articles you'd rather be commenting onSUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148315645608951022006-05-22T09:34:00.000-07:002006-05-22T09:34:00.000-07:00Hello Kate, try opening your eyes...this is HARDLY...Hello Kate, try opening your eyes...this is HARDLY a small, one-issue site. It is one of the most fair and broad-minded sites online, as opposed to T19 which may be large but is extremely narrow-minded. <BR/>And Elizbeth, as any good and decent journalist, you will look at a broad range of sites and form your own conclusions. You seem very open-minded and willing to listen all views, which is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148309044292153322006-05-22T07:44:00.000-07:002006-05-22T07:44:00.000-07:00chip ... "The communion has a teaching" is for me ...chip ... "The communion has a teaching" is for me the key component of your thoughtful comment. <BR/><BR/>This presumes an authority of "the communion" (in this case the to teaching bishops at Lambeth) that has historically rested elsewhere: in the case of the Episcopal Church in the shared reflection of bishops, clergy and laity. <BR/><BR/>In 1998 my diocese refused to receive the portion of SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148308177326799532006-05-22T07:29:00.000-07:002006-05-22T07:29:00.000-07:00obidiahslope -- Good question: and the short answe...obidiahslope -- Good question: and the short answer is "yes."<BR/><BR/>The clarifying point is that when I talk about conservatives "drawing lines in the sand" I'm talking about rhetoric like that in the post in question -- Kendall Harmon decreeing that GC06 is "the end of the line" when the rest of us are advocating for continuing conversation. <BR/><BR/>And the longer answer is that I have SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148305247367873272006-05-22T06:40:00.000-07:002006-05-22T06:40:00.000-07:00Jeff says: God is good- and we are too.This, IMO...Jeff says: God is good- and we are too.<BR/><BR/>This, IMO, speaks to the heart of the debate between so called reappraisers and reasserters. <BR/>I would offer that we are not "good too". We have no health in us; we are miserable offenders, as the prayer book used to say. Daily, we sin against God "in thought, word and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone." "We are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148293199575579712006-05-22T03:19:00.000-07:002006-05-22T03:19:00.000-07:00Susan,I can see why your "better than this" is bet...Susan,<BR/>I can see why your "better than this" is better for you, and those who agree with you. Jeff Martinhauk has (bravely and fairly) said that the two sides both have in common a wish not to be marginalised. <BR/>So as a conservative I appreciate his even handedness. I wonder if you as as even handed as him? When you talk about moving forward from lines drawn in the sand you seem to be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148265745057919612006-05-21T19:42:00.000-07:002006-05-21T19:42:00.000-07:00Jeff-The Bible should be the basis for our relatio...Jeff-<BR/>The Bible should be the basis for our relationship with God, not the other way around. emotions are not always right; they do not always lead us in the right direction. That is why we need something to hold as a constant...a backdrop to compare with. (ie: i am hurt and broken by husbands' lack of ___. They world says I should leave and find someone who gives me what I think I am Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148259764546958572006-05-21T18:02:00.000-07:002006-05-21T18:02:00.000-07:00Calvin, are you saying that homosexuals should sit...Calvin, are you saying that homosexuals should sit down and shut up because we cause offence? Or we should go through the paitently flase and evil process of "reprograming" so that we not disrupt your own piety?Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148255955045508412006-05-21T16:59:00.000-07:002006-05-21T16:59:00.000-07:00Rev. RussellAn addendum to my question (your blog ...Rev. Russell<BR/><BR/>An addendum to my question (your blog does not handle HTML in the same way T19 does. My previous comment should read:<BR/><BR/>" ... by someone who does NOT know the answer ..."<BR/><BR/>regards,<BR/><BR/>the person who posts as<BR/>Just Passing By<BR/>at T19Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1148255786853882552006-05-21T16:56:00.000-07:002006-05-21T16:56:00.000-07:00Rev. Russell:A brief note of introduction: I profe...Rev. Russell:<BR/><BR/>A brief note of introduction: I profess no religion, but am trying to understand more about Christianity by, among other things, watching Christians. Very educational in many respects.<BR/><BR/>A question about the smoker-at table analogy. You ask how faithful LGBT Christians could interfere with the faith of straight Christians. What would you say to Rom 14:13-23? It is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com