tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post115099398751491779..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Reflections on the run ...SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151283737392651302006-06-25T18:02:00.000-07:002006-06-25T18:02:00.000-07:00Anonymous,Thanks for correcting me!j316Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for correcting me!<BR/><BR/>j316Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151273992643974142006-06-25T15:19:00.000-07:002006-06-25T15:19:00.000-07:00John 316 said: "+Parsley gave his consent in 2003...John 316 said: "+Parsley gave his consent in 2003 to +Robinson's consecration,"<BR/><BR/>Not so. Parsley voted, "NO"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151180055575611952006-06-24T13:14:00.000-07:002006-06-24T13:14:00.000-07:00For clarification, my specific entry that Susan re...For clarification, my specific entry that Susan referred to in her post can now be found here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://frjakestopstheworld.blogspot.com/2006/06/episcopal-church-bows-to-idol-of.html" REL="nofollow">Episcopal Church Bows to the Idol of Communion: Embraces Bigotry</A>Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13579571802576738609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151174071350809662006-06-24T11:34:00.000-07:002006-06-24T11:34:00.000-07:00OK, a word from your conservative Roman Catholic l...OK, a word from your conservative Roman Catholic lurker:<BR/><BR/>Why all the overwrought anguish here and on other LGBT EpiscoBlogs? <BR/><BR/>The LGBT faction won virtually all of its fights in GenCon. The only thing you lost was this last resolution B033. The strong-armed way it was rammed through GenCon, the weak wording, and the statement of dissent by the Gang of 30 clearly make it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151170793316845612006-06-24T10:39:00.000-07:002006-06-24T10:39:00.000-07:00Though he was non-commital in The Witnes interview...Though he was non-commital in The Witnes interview (http://thewitness.org/article.php?id=1068), +Parsley gave his consent in 2003 to +Robinson's consecration, and has a reputation on T19 as having played hardball with orthodox clergy in his own diocese since 2003. It is difficult to imagine that the network bishops could have voted for +Parsley under any circumstance.<BR/><BR/>If the Orthodox Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151167836574499772006-06-24T09:50:00.000-07:002006-06-24T09:50:00.000-07:00Jeff,In answer to your question from the previous ...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>In answer to your question from the previous thread, I think that General Convention managed to come up with a resolution (B033) that satisfied no one, and obviously hurt a great many people on your end of the spectrum. (I heard from one delegate that there was a great deal of sobbing in the House of Delegates when they voted in favor of B033.)<BR/><BR/>What surprised me was that Chip Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055858187692162039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151164251290751832006-06-24T08:50:00.000-07:002006-06-24T08:50:00.000-07:00For what it's worth, I have posted some new reflec...For what it's worth, I have posted some new reflections on "all of this" at <A HREF="http://faithfulohio.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Faithful Ohio</A>.Renee in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741974339127525003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151155232742519512006-06-24T06:20:00.000-07:002006-06-24T06:20:00.000-07:00I could have sworn I posted this earlier, but perh...I could have sworn I posted this earlier, but perhaps I didn't complete it.<BR/><BR/>New England Cable News network aired a 9 minute interview with Bishop Shaw of Massachusetts. The interview started out by quoting Susan Russell and showing the quote on the screen.<BR/><BR/>You can view the interview online <A HREF="http://www.boston.com/news/necn/Shows/news_night/" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151120187517846302006-06-23T20:36:00.000-07:002006-06-23T20:36:00.000-07:00So all the other PB candidates but +Jenkins indica...So all the other PB candidates but +Jenkins indicated that they were willing to consecrate a LGBT bishop on their watch. +Jenkins was the only candidate who said that he would not. <BR/><BR/>+Jenkins only got 3 votes on the final ballot. Which of the progressive candidates were the "Network Bishops" supporting, why don't they come on out and claim it? <BR/><BR/>Check the election results hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151119568280836072006-06-23T20:26:00.000-07:002006-06-23T20:26:00.000-07:00>Seriously, has mankind not evolved in any way ove...>Seriously, has mankind not evolved in any way over five millennia?<BR/><BR/>What would the hallmarks of that evolution be? How would you know evolution from wishful thinking?<BR/><BR/>>Would you not expect God the Father to treat his children differently as they grow?<BR/><BR/>I would let God the Father decide that--that's His choice.<BR/><BR/>>These archaic rules were designed for one purpose Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151098967921354102006-06-23T14:42:00.000-07:002006-06-23T14:42:00.000-07:00Here is a promise from God for the LGBT community ...Here is a promise from God for the LGBT community in Christ. Let us all take it to heart and derive comfort and strength from it.<BR/><BR/>Jeremiah 29:11 (Contemporary English Version)<BR/> <BR/>11 I will bless you with a future filled with hope--a future of success, not of suffering. <BR/><BR/>Let's claim it and live it because NO ONE can take it from us.<BR/><BR/>Catherine+Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151089097336493812006-06-23T11:58:00.000-07:002006-06-23T11:58:00.000-07:00I have read the Statement of Dissent on B-033 and ...I have read the Statement of Dissent on B-033 and it will be difficult to know all the dissenters but here is what was at the end of the statement that may help a little to understand the "why":<BR/><BR/>"We are not able to publish "the undersigned" bishops names because the bishops demonstrated their assent [to dissent] by standing after it was read in a closed session of the House of Bishops Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151087277420007502006-06-23T11:27:00.000-07:002006-06-23T11:27:00.000-07:00From my google daily quote on Wednesday, June 21:“...From my google daily quote on Wednesday, June 21:<BR/><BR/>“When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty.”<BR/>- George Bernard Shaw<BR/><BR/>Well, put. It should be the appointed reading this Sunday.karl mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02704457933990385786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151079142463215602006-06-23T09:12:00.000-07:002006-06-23T09:12:00.000-07:00Africa runs the show. Not the US.Africa runs the show. Not the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151063827138730492006-06-23T04:57:00.000-07:002006-06-23T04:57:00.000-07:00Is there a transcript somewhere of the Claiming th...Is there a transcript somewhere of the Claiming the Blessing: Voices of Witness video? It seems like that would allow it to reach more people. I did an illustrated transcript once <A HREF="http://howardempowered.blogspot.com/2006/03/paul-hackett-on-daily-show.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>But for some reason I can't do screen captures like that for the Claiming the Blessing video. The Renee in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741974339127525003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151023870222427612006-06-22T17:51:00.000-07:002006-06-22T17:51:00.000-07:002:58/Anonymous: there are not "many gays" who dis...2:58/Anonymous: there are not "many gays" who disagree with me. There are a few, a tragic few, but not "many." In fact, I don't know one, but I'm sure there must be a few outside of cultlike "ex-gay" ministries who believe we are forced by God to be celibate.<BR/><BR/>By the way, please don't put words in my mouth. I don't in any way feel my sexuality is "a difficult burden." I sometimes Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151023026688189262006-06-22T17:37:00.000-07:002006-06-22T17:37:00.000-07:00Who is "our friend, the poster of all things filth...Who is "our friend, the poster of all things filthy and vile"? I have been reading spirited conversation, expression of deeply held belief. Isn't that what you all want? Conversation? Listening? No one has said anything filthy or vile. I thought we could all live together under the big tent, agree to disagree, hold disagreements in tension and all that. I guess some beliefs are more equal than Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151022784162063482006-06-22T17:33:00.000-07:002006-06-22T17:33:00.000-07:00Thanks for your helpful updates on the unfortunate...Thanks for your helpful updates on the unfortunate decisions made this past week, Susan. We're blogging on both the Episcopal and Presbyterian church decisions on the CrossWalk America blog at http://blog.crosswalkamerica.org.<BR/><BR/>We've been fortunate to have found a number of Episcopal church members and leaders solidly in support of lgbt equality as we've walked across America (we're Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151020375004761292006-06-22T16:52:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:52:00.000-07:00Thanks Moderator. What is the FJSTW blog?Thanks Moderator. What is the FJSTW blog?karl mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02704457933990385786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151017458567731842006-06-22T16:04:00.000-07:002006-06-22T16:04:00.000-07:00Still looking for a breakdown of how the deputatio...Still looking for a breakdown of how the deputations voted on B033. ie... by Diocese.<BR/><BR/>Thanks...karl mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02704457933990385786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151015514145154562006-06-22T15:31:00.000-07:002006-06-22T15:31:00.000-07:00I have posted some of my own reflections at Faithf...I have posted some of my own reflections at <A HREF="http://faithfulohio.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Faithful Ohio</A>. You are welcome to post your own words of comfort and support in the comments. Fair warning--people who come just to say unhelpful/hurtful things will find their comments deleted.Renee in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741974339127525003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151013760051215972006-06-22T15:02:00.001-07:002006-06-22T15:02:00.001-07:00Jeff – people on both sides, I believe, sincerely ...Jeff – people on both sides, I believe, sincerely hold their positions. I can’t speak for you, but, from the orthodox perspective, I hear no – emphasis, no – discussion of being after power. We believe ECUSA has departed from the Faith once delivered and that provision should be made for the remnant which wishes to hold to that Faith. So, people hope quite openly, as you say, for a parallel (Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151013759799441002006-06-22T15:02:00.000-07:002006-06-22T15:02:00.000-07:00Oops, forgot to add my comment about how the quote...Oops, forgot to add my comment about how the quote that follows sounds more like the spirit of the age than anything bound up with discipleship, conformity to Christ, obedience to God's commands . . .it is just another case of self-making . . . (see lately the The Ethics of Authenticity for one take on the genesis of this line)<BR/><BR/>"And it is the antithesis of my understanding of my calling Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151013539881454262006-06-22T14:58:00.000-07:002006-06-22T14:58:00.000-07:00To pointlessly deny a behavior that is a basic and...To pointlessly deny a behavior that is a basic and essential expression of who we arejust to make you feel more comfortable is crude and, yes, discriminatory. And it is the antithesis of my understanding of my calling as a Chrisitian to courageously become my authentic self.<BR/><BR/>"So your suggestion that the dilemma is as simple as "just stop the behavior" . . . " No, that is not my simple Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151012372224886352006-06-22T14:39:00.000-07:002006-06-22T14:39:00.000-07:00To anonymous at 1:37, you insist you're not a "Bib...To anonymous at 1:37, you insist you're not a "Bible-thumping Neanderthal," and then proceed to defend your view by mentioning "5,000 years of more or less consistent understanding of Scripture." The fact that you believe we should be understanding and interpreting God's will in the same way people did 5000 years ago -- when the world was still flat -- is what <I>makes you</I> a Bible-thumping Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com