tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post1507838886068399655..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: The More Things Change ...SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-26434397337614280252007-09-25T12:56:00.000-07:002007-09-25T12:56:00.000-07:00TOMORROW:Certainly persons living together and hav...TOMORROW:<BR/><BR/>Certainly persons living together and having children out of wedlock have a place in the church as do all the baptized. The debate is currently about the appropriate limits of pastoral care and the place such person may hold in offices of the church. The question is how far the traditional sexual theology of the church lets us move in that direction, since "it can be held that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-29566238447493313852007-09-25T02:01:00.000-07:002007-09-25T02:01:00.000-07:00IT said . . . ."Pilgrim should consider why s/he h...IT said . . . .<BR/><BR/><I>"Pilgrim should consider why s/he has such lurid fascination with other people's sexuality."</I><BR/><BR/>Oh please. Trust me on this. I have <B>NO</B> interest -- lurid or otherwise -- with other people's sexuality.<BR/><BR/>If you have a problem with gay sex being a sin, then you need to take that up with God. The real concern is TEC telling gays that their Perry Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602968076084080664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-57930681538929409702007-09-24T07:35:00.000-07:002007-09-24T07:35:00.000-07:00I don't practise. I've got it right.I also don't ...I don't practise. I've got it right.<BR/><BR/>I also don't flaunt. Mother didn't raise me that way.<BR/><BR/>Pilgrim should consider why s/he has such lurid fascination with other people's sexuality. For all s/he knows, many partnered gays are not sexually active!<BR/><BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-59267422731964558782007-09-24T07:05:00.000-07:002007-09-24T07:05:00.000-07:00I do love the "quote" from +Rowan. I am just not s...I do love the "quote" from +Rowan. I am just not sure if this is rightly attibuted to him. I have not seen this anyplace else and it is very revealing of the speaker's mind. I would love to know for sure if +Rowan said or wrote this and where i can find this speech. <BR/><BR/>markMark Lodicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06209517403443959636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-3823515010407178692007-09-24T06:30:00.000-07:002007-09-24T06:30:00.000-07:00Fred said . . . ."We ARE all sinners. Given. But t...Fred said . . . .<BR/><I>"We ARE all sinners. Given. But the Church is coming to see that homosexuality -- in itself -- is not sinful any more than heterosexuality is."</I><BR/><BR/>Absolutely right: homosexuality, in and of itself, is no sin. <BR/><BR/>Unrepentingly practising and flaunting homosexual behaviour and acts is, on the other hand, a very serious transgression. And telling people Perry Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602968076084080664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-78746994689206688012007-09-23T11:18:00.000-07:002007-09-23T11:18:00.000-07:00Another sad realization, as I have been looking ov...Another sad realization, as I have been looking over conservative blogs, it that not only have they not come to terms with gay people in the church, a great many of them have not even come to terms with the presence of women in leadership in the church. We're worried about including them in 2007 and they have not even begun to be able to join us in 1976.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-16500896663411663692007-09-23T09:47:00.000-07:002007-09-23T09:47:00.000-07:00I always thought that casting stones, presuming to...I always thought that casting stones, presuming to judge others, and something about trusting that you alone are righteous, and despising others...I always thought THOSE were sins.<BR/><BR/>In fact, I thought that the point was that God, not man, got to decide what sin was.<BR/><BR/>But Catechism was way in the last century, so OCICBW.<BR/><BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-10056021964689324252007-09-22T15:54:00.000-07:002007-09-22T15:54:00.000-07:00Felida --"So why, please, is a homosexual in a com...Felida --<BR/>"So why, please, is a homosexual in a committed, long-term relationship so much worse a "practicing" sinner than any of the rest of us?"<BR/><BR/>Good point. Therefore let's all depend on God's grace to overcome this tendency toward sin. The first step is to acknowledge it as such. Thank you for the question.<BR/>-- JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-7638729311295733202007-09-22T15:36:00.000-07:002007-09-22T15:36:00.000-07:00Thank you for the overview. You just helped me wi...Thank you for the overview. You just helped me with Year 3 of EfM!<BR/><BR/>We're all practicing sinners. If we didn't practice we'd all be translated immediately to heaven, there wouldn't be any poverty, war, children going to bed hungry every night for months and years, etc. So why, please, is a homosexual in a committed, long-term relationship so much worse a "practicing" sinner than any of Linda Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17793936253851743845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-49740223227509931332007-09-22T14:43:00.000-07:002007-09-22T14:43:00.000-07:00As a graduate of a music college, I've known lots ...As a graduate of a music college, I've known lots of practicing homosexuals. And some who should have practiced more than they did. Oh yes, those who didn't practice often usually didn't do well in their recitals and sometimes repented. And some churches were not particularly pleased with singers and musicians who hadn't practiced as much as they should have. But what does practicing have to PseudoPiskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12070541512355253553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-70822613442922743572007-09-22T14:16:00.000-07:002007-09-22T14:16:00.000-07:00J -- Make you a deal: if we decide to elect someon...<STRONG>J</STRONG> -- Make you a deal: if we decide to elect someone to "take care of us" feel free to run.<BR/><BR/>In the meantime how about you take a break from obsessing about our sex lives and worry about your own.<BR/><BR/>Fred<BR/><BR/>(Susan: I won't blame you if you don't post this comment but I am just so OVER this lame argument!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-37882765232243618392007-09-22T13:26:00.000-07:002007-09-22T13:26:00.000-07:00Fred,It's totally amazing how people can make up a...Fred,<BR/><BR/>It's totally amazing how people can make up arguments, attribute them to others and then demolish them, all the while supposing that this passes for rational discourse. This has nothing to do with the absurd arguments about people being less than human or not having souls. It is because homosexuals are fully human that they are worthy of being taken out of harm's way-- Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-57619909764905392692007-09-22T12:24:00.000-07:002007-09-22T12:24:00.000-07:00Your first example is really quite good because fo...Your first example is really quite good because for a religious Jew (and perhaps for a Jewish follower of Messiah, too) the idea that one could eat anything and not be circumcised - yet still serve God among God's people - was just as horrifying a sin as one can imagine. <BR/><BR/>But as a result of that first schism, the Church ended an entirely Gentile Organisation, growing up without contactHuw Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13767334011657735131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-78894540959613518862007-09-22T12:20:00.000-07:002007-09-22T12:20:00.000-07:00"Certainly the divorced have a place in the church..."Certainly the divorced have a place in the church...."<BR/><BR/>You conservatives can't put it all on gays as long as you are NOT CONSISTENT about biblical definitions of sin.<BR/><BR/> <BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-88400075659108759012007-09-22T11:58:00.000-07:002007-09-22T11:58:00.000-07:00And what part of "we've heard your argument til yo...And what part of "we've heard your argument til you're blue in the face and we don't agree with you" don't YOU understand???<BR/><BR/>And I can just imagine righteously indignant anonymous commenters in centuries past mkaing the same arguments about African Americans not being fully human and whether women had souls or not.<BR/><BR/>We ARE all sinners. Given. But the Church is coming to see that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-2445461543053091632007-09-22T11:28:00.000-07:002007-09-22T11:28:00.000-07:00What you're introducing at the end is the question...What you're introducing at the end is the question of sin -- whether sinners, such as PRACTICING homosexuals, have a place in the church. They do, because we all are sinners. But in whatever area we are sinning, we must repent, an unpopular word, as sin itself is, but foundational. What is it about this you don't understand?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com