tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post1523806324313809401..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: On the Episcopal-Hindu Hoo-RahSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-26230450319979418612008-01-29T11:45:00.000-08:002008-01-29T11:45:00.000-08:00Susan, this is my LAST comment on this topic, beca...<I>Susan, this is my LAST comment on this topic, because I am ready to get quite belligerent with RonF.</I><BR/><BR/>Go for it. As will become obvious below, people who react emotionally instead of with reason to a reasoned discussion usually get the facts wrong.<BR/><BR/><I>Next, people like RonF are going to be asking that we post Guards at the rail in order to make sure that the UnBaptized doRonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-90306198061097053062008-01-28T20:20:00.000-08:002008-01-28T20:20:00.000-08:00A lively debate on the issue of "open" Communion i...A lively debate on the issue of "open" Communion is a good and healthy thing for the Church. But adherence to the Canons is a necessity, especially at this time in the life of the Episcopal Church. Our Church can't depose Bishops who violate Canons or fire Standing Committees who violate Canons and then turn around and violate Canons ourselves because we think it's right. The Episcopal Church Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-73990747060815939702008-01-28T18:21:00.000-08:002008-01-28T18:21:00.000-08:00Susan, this is my LAST comment on this topic, beca...Susan, this is my LAST comment on this topic, because I am ready to get quite belligerent with RonF.<BR/><BR/>Don't even allow this to post if you feel so, it is ok with me.<BR/><BR/>Next, people like RonF are going to be asking that we post Guards at the rail in order to make sure that the UnBaptized do not take communion.<BR/><BR/>Personally, under His opinion, i would not be allowed communion,edav38https://www.blogger.com/profile/13194838235717863739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-72915498538381098912008-01-28T14:41:00.000-08:002008-01-28T14:41:00.000-08:00One thing; I don't advocate someone being the "Com...One thing; I don't advocate someone being the "Communion police". At our parish we announce and print in our bulletin every Sunday that Holy Communion is open to all baptized Christians. Then, if someone comes to the rail they get the Eucharist, no questions asked. But we issue the invitation precisely in accord with the Canons, and in accord with the intent and purpose of the Eucharist.RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-35087801245520335812008-01-28T14:38:00.000-08:002008-01-28T14:38:00.000-08:00Susan, do you support "open Communion"? Would you...Susan, do you support "open Communion"? Would you have any idea how the adherents justify violating TEC's Canon on the matter?RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-54432670851164475902008-01-28T14:35:00.000-08:002008-01-28T14:35:00.000-08:00When one sees people getting all worked up that so...When one sees people getting all worked up that some Hindus may have taken communion, it pays to be skeptical until the actual facts get laid out.<BR/><BR/>However, I'm amazed to read the rather tortuous reasoning by which people are actually trying to justify giving non-Christians the Eucharist. The matter has been both considered and settled some time ago in our Church. Read Title 1, Canon RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-84414943756550534092008-01-27T19:53:00.000-08:002008-01-27T19:53:00.000-08:00David, I understand your position, and that of Tho...David, I understand your position, and that of Thomas Aquinas, but I disagree with it.<BR/><BR/>I do not subscribe to any one person's view of how consecration of communion occurs. I do know this though. When CHRIST multiplied the Fish and Loafs of bread, He did not stop to ask the masses if they subscribed to His philisophical or Religious teachings. <BR/><BR/>Also, when He, at the Last Supper edav38https://www.blogger.com/profile/13194838235717863739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-41334705992546674422008-01-27T16:16:00.000-08:002008-01-27T16:16:00.000-08:00Edva, YOUR Eucharistic theologyis bald Receptionis...Edva, YOUR Eucharistic theologyis bald Receptionism as taught by Zwingli, who in my opinion is one sorry excuse for a theologian. Just read him and you'll see what I mean. Simply put, he and others like him sought to exterminate from the liturgy the sense of the sacred, the sense of awe, that we get from the transcendent presence of our Lord that is so precious and still has a role in our Rev. David Justin Lynchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00250968772752560668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-64159164999106165342008-01-27T01:06:00.000-08:002008-01-27T01:06:00.000-08:00Paul said: "and then call Hindus polytheists is a ...Paul said: "and then call Hindus polytheists is a grave oversimplification of Hindu ways of believing."<BR/><BR/>Actually, Paul, no it is not an over-simplification. If you want to get a good listing of the gods, deities, family and pantheon of the Hindu faith, a Small listing that is:<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_deities<BR/><BR/>There are more than 25 deities in this listing, edav38https://www.blogger.com/profile/13194838235717863739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-18402187320662248732008-01-26T14:00:00.000-08:002008-01-26T14:00:00.000-08:00I concur with edav38's sentiment that God is capab...I concur with edav38's sentiment that God is capable of discerning and of dealing appropriately with those who receive. I must demur about a common western misconception, however.<BR/><BR/>Hindus believe that all deities and all realities are ultimately only Brahman. Their vision of reality is far more monist than that of most westerners. To believe in the mystery of the Trinity and then call Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090720645937634051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-63359040685140145712008-01-26T07:19:00.000-08:002008-01-26T07:19:00.000-08:00Thoughts:Well, no, David, Jesus was rather selecti...Thoughts:<BR/><BR/>Well, no, David, Jesus was rather selective for His last supper. The meal was recorded and discussed precisely because it was special and different. <BR/><BR/>Bateau, we do not live in Jesus's day. That is, there are no Roman legions intending to interrupt and desecrate our sacred life. So, we can be a bit more open, and besides, in most parishes (and all "Anglican" JimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-68102321227558041712008-01-26T05:19:00.000-08:002008-01-26T05:19:00.000-08:00When the Baptists celebrate their memorial Meal, t...When the Baptists celebrate their memorial Meal, they remember Our Lord's sacrifice. When Episcopalians celebrate the Eucharist, they invite Christ to be present at the table. I cannot see how Our Lord would be offended by either. Nor can I imagine that either group believes in the Real Absence.<BR/><BR/>My business partner is an American Hindu. I'm an Episcopalian. And we have as much in common Old Vergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526684635452023242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-32531422461501119162008-01-25T23:30:00.000-08:002008-01-25T23:30:00.000-08:00True.So, clearly Communion should be closed to all...True.<BR/><BR/>So, clearly Communion should be closed to all but the Disciples.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for clarification, Bateau.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-15911710674586910402008-01-25T22:54:00.000-08:002008-01-25T22:54:00.000-08:00Bateau Master said: "He performed open ministry an...Bateau Master said: "He performed open ministry and association, but I would say he reserved sharing his body and blood with those that knew and believed in him. Acceptance, baptism, communion seems like the minimal order of things to ask of recipients."<BR/><BR/>Just remember something about the Holy Sacrement. It is STILL Bread and Wine Until it touches the Lips and tounge of the Faithful, Onlyedav38https://www.blogger.com/profile/13194838235717863739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-80572608808811506942008-01-25T22:43:00.000-08:002008-01-25T22:43:00.000-08:00The Only way that it would be wrong for a Hindu to...The Only way that it would be wrong for a Hindu to take communion would be if GOD Himself could not tell the difference between someone who is a Christian and thus Mono-theistic, and a Hindu and thus poly-theistic.<BR/><BR/>I was brought up in the Roman Catholic faith. At age 9, I ask my mother if i could go up to get communion. She said to me: "what is the purpose of communion?", I answered. "edav38https://www.blogger.com/profile/13194838235717863739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-89794349627464518752008-01-25T22:13:00.000-08:002008-01-25T22:13:00.000-08:00Did Jesus practice open communion? He shared the ...Did Jesus practice open communion? He shared the bread and wine with very select few and directed them to carry on and "Do this in remembrance of me."<BR/><BR/>He performed open ministry and association, but I would say he reserved sharing his body and blood with those that knew and believed in him. Acceptance, baptism, communion seems like the minimal order of things to ask of recipients.Bateau Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17641991475361553674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-49786550934001145852008-01-25T21:11:00.000-08:002008-01-25T21:11:00.000-08:00Mother Karen Macqueen is the Associate Rector at s...Mother Karen Macqueen is the Associate Rector at st. Paul's Pomona where I am a parishioner, vestry member, thurifer, Newsletter Minister, chorister and subdeacon, and I hope one day, postulant/candidate/ordinand. My wife, Sharon Talley aka "Beeper" is the Clerk of the Vestry, acolyte, subdeacon, and Coffee Hour Minister. Beeper was an acolyte at the Indian Rite Mass and I was a spectator. It wasRev. David Justin Lynchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00250968772752560668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-20340477505792992802008-01-25T19:12:00.000-08:002008-01-25T19:12:00.000-08:00It's really ok if some of the Hindus take communio...It's really ok if some of the Hindus take communion thinking it is a good way to honor God in the Christian's tradition. It won't poison them, God will not strike them dead for acting outside their own traditions or strike Christians dead for giving it to them. Really. And if God's not that touchy then what's our excuse?<BR/><BR/>It's a ritual to help us stay mindful not a magic Christian pill.Jim Costichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08791917017485731005noreply@blogger.com