tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post1667513060286249868..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: If you look up "speaking truth to power" in the encyclopedia ....SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-62015596469115294422007-06-01T11:31:00.000-07:002007-06-01T11:31:00.000-07:00IT, perhaps you missed the point of my last paragr...IT, perhaps you missed the point of my last paragraph. Divorced bishops and homosexually active bishops have both sinned. The question is who has repented, and who represents their sin as not being sinful.<BR/><BR/>Again; show me a divorced bishop that is holding up divorce as something not sinful and in fact something to be celebrated and I'll write the letter to the ABC myself.<BR/><BR/>RonFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-13564433471738853872007-05-25T18:32:00.000-07:002007-05-25T18:32:00.000-07:00I believe (OCICBW) that any divorced Bishop is tec...I believe (OCICBW) that any divorced Bishop is technically living in adultery regardless of whether he repents. In fact, I believe he cannot repent if he is still living in a marital state with wife #2. I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong.<BR/><BR/>My point is that there are many divorced bishops, of course they regret their divorces, but you let them attend anyway. This is inconsistent Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-63129750916947074482007-05-25T13:48:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:48:00.000-07:00How many divorced bishops will be attending, Ron?O...<I>How many divorced bishops will be attending, Ron?</I><BR/><BR/>One would be too many. If TEC dumped all it's divorced bishops it wouldn't cause me to lose any sleep.<BR/><BR/>I would imagine that a TEC bishop who glorifies and celebrates divorce and denies that it is sinful would be especially disruptive. If you could give me the names of any such bishops I'll be glad to write the ABC myselfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-35552832274907083382007-05-25T12:29:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:29:00.000-07:00How many divorced bishops will be attending, Ron?I...How many divorced bishops will be attending, Ron?<BR/><BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-59701586492569915372007-05-25T09:46:00.000-07:002007-05-25T09:46:00.000-07:00David, perhaps it might lead to a more intelligent...David, perhaps it might lead to a more intelligent discussion if you would tell me what you find in my statements that are contrary to the word of God rather than simply relating your emotional reaction.<BR/><BR/>Susan, I appreciate your tolerance in not deleting my post.<BR/><BR/>Trey, Lauren, I'm curious as to why you quote Leviticus when I didn't. A classic example of a "strawman" argument. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-23189057414557775532007-05-24T20:28:00.000-07:002007-05-24T20:28:00.000-07:00Hah, Jon. Your explanation would mean the bishops...Hah, Jon. Your explanation would mean the bishops think that (comparatively speaking) they are without sin. That What hubris. What gall. What arrogance. Hardly Christian, in fact. A gay man, the sinner uber allees.<BR/><BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-82550420434586443312007-05-24T17:54:00.000-07:002007-05-24T17:54:00.000-07:00Strictly speaking the non-invitation isn't about B...Strictly speaking the non-invitation isn't about Bishop Robinson being sinful; it's about people being sufficiently scandalized by his life (or at least what they think is his life) that his presence would make it difficult to get any work done, even if the problem is with the scandalized people. Would it be better to remove the voices of large chunks of the third world, or to ask one American Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13323740465436735706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-57347825405546003772007-05-24T10:02:00.000-07:002007-05-24T10:02:00.000-07:00Did anyone really expect the ABC to invite +Robins...Did anyone really expect the ABC to invite +Robinson? I mean really, did anyone think that could happen after the Primates meeting of 2003, the reversal/couching of ++Griswold on the consecration, the lack of clear response to the Windsor Report by GC2006, and the slipperiness of ++Schori after the Primates 2007 meeting?<BR/><BR/>The HOB and many others need a reality check. You can push only Bateau Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17641991475361553674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-52081082124718844242007-05-23T23:42:00.000-07:002007-05-23T23:42:00.000-07:00Yeah, Obie, But the real issue is who gets to dec...Yeah, Obie, But the real issue is who gets to decide which ones you observe and which ones you don't. The General Convention for over 25 years has said that we as a church do not observe Lev 18:22. But the reasserters say that we don't have the right to do that.<BR/><BR/>This is why +Chane is right when he says that human sexuality is not the issue. The issue is POWERMuthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-59768977473177318072007-05-23T17:11:00.000-07:002007-05-23T17:11:00.000-07:00trey, let me try. All Christians (apart from "mess...trey, <BR/>let me try. All Christians (apart from "messianic" jews and some adventist groups) won't insist on keeping all of the OT laws. This places most of us in the category of keeping some but not all of the laws or moral principles of the OT.<BR/> So how do we work out which ones to keep? <BR/>By looking at how Jesus (and the apostles) responded to the various laws. Some like murder, jesus Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-91804682134285898322007-05-23T16:16:00.000-07:002007-05-23T16:16:00.000-07:00So I just wrote about Partial Orthodoxy on my blog...So I just wrote about Partial Orthodoxy on my blog. I don't get RonF's position. Either follow all of the rules on how to live that are in the Bible (no touching pig skin, no eating shellfish, no wearing cloths of mixed fabrics, no divorce) or explain to me why it's okay to follow SOME of them, but not others? Why is the one Leviticus passage in the bible used to beat up LBGT people, and the Treyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08209743656035290420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-11948871220162253212007-05-23T16:15:00.000-07:002007-05-23T16:15:00.000-07:00So I just wrote about Partial Orthodoxy on my blog...So I just wrote about Partial Orthodoxy on my blog. I don't get RonF's position. Either follow all of the rules on how to live that are in the Bible (no touching pig skin, no eating shellfish, no wearing cloths of mixed fabrics, no divorce) or explain to me why it's okay to follow SOME of them, but not others? Why is the one Leviticus passage in the bible used to beat up LBGT people, and the Treyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08209743656035290420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-80943485441278782432007-05-23T14:47:00.000-07:002007-05-23T14:47:00.000-07:00Don't #4 (listen to LGBT folks) and #5 (treat +VGR...Don't #4 (listen to LGBT folks) and #5 (treat +VGR as radioactive) contradict each other?<BR/><BR/>DOES__NOT__COMPUTE__LOGIC__OVERLOAD<BR/><BR/>NancyP<BR/><BR/>who would assign everyone involved the "everything important I learned in kindergarten" book on "how to play well with others". Just Work It Out, Don't Hide Head In Sand, ABC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-42843972529858737952007-05-23T14:45:00.000-07:002007-05-23T14:45:00.000-07:00Is there a "Lambeth for Dummies" somewhere? I've b...Is there a "Lambeth for Dummies" somewhere? I've been hearing talk of Lambeth invitations ever since General Convention, and I'm afraid I just don't *get it*.<BR/><BR/>By the way, on Monday night, Davis Mac-Iyalla spoke at my church. I wrote up a bit about that <A HREF="http://independentbloggersalliance.blogspot.com/2007/05/some-thoughts-on-courage.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> for anyone who isRenee in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741974339127525003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-70734598004129542152007-05-23T14:00:00.000-07:002007-05-23T14:00:00.000-07:00david ... everything you said and ...Having just i...david ... everything you said and ...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Having just issued a disclaimer that alternative perspectives respectfully offered are welcome on this site I really think it's important to hear from the "RonF"s of the world to recognize how many inches we have yet to reclaim til that planet grows green again!<BR/><BR/>Hang in there.<BR/><BR/>(And Pepto Bismol really does help with the nausea SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-54232214025376175002007-05-23T13:54:00.000-07:002007-05-23T13:54:00.000-07:00Amen, and I. Love. My. Bishop.Amen, and I. Love. My. Bishop.Kirstinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07928583212781425068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-23434976554774586682007-05-23T13:20:00.000-07:002007-05-23T13:20:00.000-07:00I guess it's important, Susan, to post the previou...I guess it's important, Susan, to post the previous comment by PaulF just so the world can see the kind of point of view he represents. But I have to confess that reading it makes me come near to throwing up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-33335987823649188312007-05-23T12:03:00.000-07:002007-05-23T12:03:00.000-07:00The isolation and exile of Bishop Robinson has imp...<I>The isolation and exile of Bishop Robinson has implications for the Communion too, within the larger framework of scapegoating.</I><BR/><BR/>It is Bp. Robinson who has isolated himself from the Christian community by refusing to hear and abide by the word of God. From Cain on down we see multiple examples in Scripture of people who end up isolating themselves from God and man by refusing to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-17829717513951901702007-05-23T11:58:00.000-07:002007-05-23T11:58:00.000-07:00re: Let the people say "AMEN!"Make mine a Seven-Fo...re: Let the people say "AMEN!"<BR/><BR/>Make mine a Seven-Fold!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com