tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post2923297529655959310..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Happy Gay Pride Month from ...SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-58826316888789111862009-06-04T22:57:19.928-07:002009-06-04T22:57:19.928-07:00One more time, Just Me:
Every crime (esp. crimes ...One more time, Just Me:<br /><br />Every crime (esp. crimes of violence) has a SET punishment (prison time, fine, etc---up to including the death penalty in many states). Those punishments are to provide justice---such as it is---to the victim and their loved ones.<br /><br />In terms of YOUR loved ones, that's what you get---that's ALL you get . . . and if you don't like it, CHANGE JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-13391826054363440482009-06-02T20:33:03.292-07:002009-06-02T20:33:03.292-07:00Just me,
"Another man spots the guy in the s...Just me,<br /><br />"Another man spots the guy in the suit and decides he could use some entertainment; he diliberately picks up a gun, goes downstairs and tells the guy to hand over his wallet. The suit guy hands over his wallet and the assailant shoots him in the head anyway. He's caught and is sentenced to 5 years.<br /><br />The guy in the t-shirt is spotted by a man in a different Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-77554843108634731062009-06-02T17:04:45.200-07:002009-06-02T17:04:45.200-07:00Hate crimes legislation exists when the purpose of...Hate crimes legislation exists when the purpose of the crime is not just against an individual but to intimidate an entire class of people. It's particularly important because it gives federal resources and influence in a jurisdictiion that might be unsympathetic to the vicitim. In the days of lynching, those who did the crime often got away with it despite being known, because the police or IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-90169816568255667772009-06-02T15:10:25.587-07:002009-06-02T15:10:25.587-07:00Actually John, with all due respect, the scenario ...Actually John, with all due respect, the scenario you offered doesn't represent the proposed hate crimes law.<br /><br />2 men are walking down the stret, minding their own business. One is dressed up in a suit and the other is dressed in jeans and gay pride t-shirt.<br /><br />Another man spots the guy in the suit and decides he could use some entertainment; he diliberately picks up a gun, goesJust Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858984705804810792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-66040275523416665602009-06-02T14:34:03.297-07:002009-06-02T14:34:03.297-07:00Regarding HATE CRIMES, here's the difference: A c...Regarding HATE CRIMES, here's the difference: A crime is committed against a person. A "hate crime" is committed against a class of people. The crime is not just committed against the individual but against the person BECAUSE they are a member of a group.<br /><br />It's a big distinction. It was the lynching of people because they were black... it is the genocide committed against people Neil Houghtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13576094575777076225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-21560122856601370822009-06-02T12:17:02.936-07:002009-06-02T12:17:02.936-07:00Susan, talk to me about hate crimes and ENDA after...Susan, talk to me about hate crimes and ENDA after they've been signed into law.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-10005124531327169102009-06-02T12:16:33.379-07:002009-06-02T12:16:33.379-07:00Just Me, you need to look at it this way. If you ...Just Me, you need to look at it this way. If you live on the upper floor of a building, have a potted geranium on your window sill and accidentally knock it off while you're cleaning and it hits someone on the sidewalk below and kills them, that's a completely different offense than if you deliberately took a gun, picked someone out, went downstairs, and shot him. There's a marked difference Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-62264511175115043512009-06-02T11:50:28.249-07:002009-06-02T11:50:28.249-07:00Susan, he hasn't moved at all on DADT. The whiteh...Susan, he hasn't moved at all on DADT. The whitehouse website dropped a lot of gay rights issues until they were shamed into putting them back up. Additionally, Clinton was the first to appoint an openly gay person, not Obama, so the proclamation really isn't true, and says nothing but platitudes. Thus, talk is cheap. <br /><br />As for the jokes, though to be fair, the LA joke was taken out ofIThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-4244242336161632532009-06-02T11:14:04.328-07:002009-06-02T11:14:04.328-07:00I want to echo the 'talk is cheap' comments. You c...I want to echo the 'talk is cheap' comments. You can give him the benefit of the doubt all you want but what have we gotten from him so far? Two jokes - one at the White House correspondents' dinner and the other last week in LA where he waded through a crowd of Prop 8 protestors and then arrogantly said he didn't know which promises he was supposed to keep.<br /><br />He lost me with the Rick Necktie Knothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180528479648389677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-45228247771458244682009-06-02T10:32:40.204-07:002009-06-02T10:32:40.204-07:00Pardon my stupidity, but I really don't understand...Pardon my stupidity, but I really don't understand the whole "hate" crimes issue.<br /><br />It appears to imply that if a black man is murdered by another black man then the current justice applies. However, if a black man is killed by a white man; well then the victim's family gets a whole different level of justice while the murderer receives a harsher punishment.<br /><br />A couple of yearsJust Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858984705804810792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-43129287020022366902009-06-02T09:57:33.638-07:002009-06-02T09:57:33.638-07:00Sorry, John.
I was on Capitol Hill last month an...Sorry, John. <br /><br />I was on Capitol Hill last month and the support for Hate Crimes is far from nominal ... the commitment to an inclusive ENDA seeing the light of day this term is explicit rather than implicit ... and he is NOT where we want him on marriage but you don't move allies forward by not working with them where they are in order to push them forward.<br /><br />I'm giving a B+ ..SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-7989005486760040322009-06-02T09:54:08.756-07:002009-06-02T09:54:08.756-07:00They've nominally supported hate crimes legislatio...They've nominally supported hate crimes legislation and ENDA. They're sending out mixed signals on DADT. Right now, he's to the RIGHT of McCain's former campaign manager, Ted Olson, and Dick Cheney on gay marriage.<br /><br />I realize it's early in his term, but that's no better than a C so far. I'm gratified about his statement, but talk IS cheap.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-56219976200220681512009-06-02T07:26:35.173-07:002009-06-02T07:26:35.173-07:00zowie! never thought I'd see that from a Presiden...zowie! never thought I'd see that from a President! Pray for his continued safety...Fr Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04232925124388686609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-91350144168196657972009-06-01T22:18:38.949-07:002009-06-01T22:18:38.949-07:00He's not where I want him on marriage but he's bee...He's not where I want him on marriage but he's been proactive on Hate Crimes, moving forward on Don't Ask, Don't Tell and supporting an inclusive ENDA.<br /><br />We can work with this. And my innner pragmatist sayd we're going to get him where we want him to go by meeting him where he is!SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-37980303635019092122009-06-01T21:46:41.843-07:002009-06-01T21:46:41.843-07:00Whoopdeedoo.... Talk is cheap.Whoopdeedoo.... Talk is cheap.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.com