tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post4460931676358020639..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Why Arun Arora got it right about David Anderson getting it wrong about the Archbishop of York getting it wrong:SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-3835967775495692042007-08-17T22:28:00.000-07:002007-08-17T22:28:00.000-07:00When I was new to the Episcopal Church (having dis...When I was new to the Episcopal Church (having discovered that's where I am at home -- a "Cradle Episcopalian for 10 years") someone commented that a Canon was:<BR/><BR/>- A big shot;<BR/><BR/>- A person of high caliber;<BR/><BR/>or<BR/><BR/>- A big bore<BR/><BR/>~ WayneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-82988645561288034032007-08-08T12:06:00.000-07:002007-08-08T12:06:00.000-07:00Orthodoxy can be both wrong and slow to change, to...Orthodoxy can be both wrong and slow to change, to say the least.<BR/><BR/>It’s worth noting that, as James Carroll points out in “Constantine’s Sword-The Church and the Jews,” the Roman Catholic Church to this day has not excommunicated Hitler.<BR/><BR/>They did, of course, excommunicate Galileo. 350+ years later they apologized for it but spun the case as “a tragic mutual incomprehension.”<BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-52899559714835395852007-08-07T16:43:00.000-07:002007-08-07T16:43:00.000-07:00Thanks, Susan. Maybe because he's now a cannon, T...Thanks, Susan. <BR/><BR/>Maybe because he's now a cannon, Taking Aim? <BR/><BR/>But I suspect it's because he's a typical Yank, and is overly impressed with titles. Especially his own.<BR/><BR/><BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-59054243437065150582007-08-07T15:33:00.000-07:002007-08-07T15:33:00.000-07:00IT ... So I've been checking on how to actually de...IT ... So I've been checking on how to actually define a "canon" and what I'm told is that they were originally the staff members of a cathedral who served as the bishop's council of advice. Canon was a title attached to the office so if you left the employ of the cathedral you left the title with you. Typically in the Episcopal Church the title of Canon is given to members of a bishopp's staff. SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-83589092693970735522007-08-07T13:25:00.000-07:002007-08-07T13:25:00.000-07:00I was born an Episcopalian and was immersed in the...I was born an Episcopalian and was immersed in the ECUSA; Dad was Warden, Mom was in the Choir (her 1940 hymnal that she wrote her name in back when her handwriting was like copperplate engraving is in my own choir stall now), my brothers and I were acolytes, etc. Then we moved and fell away from church.<BR/><BR/>I picked it up again about 10 years ago (long story), and started to do some RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-32550230306049319432007-08-07T09:17:00.000-07:002007-08-07T09:17:00.000-07:00Susan - thankyou for clarifying that it is still o...Susan - thankyou for clarifying that it is still ok to refer to Spong then, albeit with discretion. Jim and NancyP above seemed to suggest though that the first one to refer to "Hitler" (or Spong according to Godwin's Law), automatically loses the debate.<BR/><BR/>Of course I agree that our theologies matter a great deal more to us than to God, although I'm sure He's concerned that we get it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-31812772412779171632007-08-07T07:53:00.000-07:002007-08-07T07:53:00.000-07:00brian ... no one is claiming it is "not valid to m...brian ... no one is claiming it is "not valid to mention Spong" ... what ISN'T valid ... or helpful to the dialogue ... is to paint anybody advocating the full inclusion of all the baptized into the Body of Christ as a "Spongian Christian" without actually ASKING them what their theology is.<BR/><BR/>I'm actually happy to leave the judgment elsewhere on the efficacy of Bishop Spong's theological SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-86078695159673141002007-08-06T19:48:00.000-07:002007-08-06T19:48:00.000-07:00The problem is that ECUSA never brought Spong to t...The problem is that ECUSA never brought Spong to task over his heretical 12 theses and many of the things he wrote - you just let it get accepted as if these were a valid expression of contemporary theology within ECUSA. Only a few bishops in ECUSA issued a denial of his propositions, but this denial never came from the executive of ECUSA or from its presiding bishop. Therefore, what are we left Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-78933704859459157582007-08-06T18:43:00.000-07:002007-08-06T18:43:00.000-07:00What's a Canon anyway?ITWhat's a Canon anyway?<BR/><BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-62988495560025977392007-08-06T17:14:00.000-07:002007-08-06T17:14:00.000-07:00If Spong the writer didn't exist, someone would ha...If Spong the writer didn't exist, someone would have to invent him. He does useful service as a counterfoil to conservative theologians, and as a lure to the curious secularist unchurched.<BR/><BR/>Dialogue helps one to define one's beliefs. It's not a bad thing sometimes, although sometimes one just wants to give it a rest for a while.<BR/><BR/>I am not commenting on Spong the bishop, he's done Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-45340763501233611082007-08-06T14:36:00.000-07:002007-08-06T14:36:00.000-07:00Fred,I understand. I am simply thinking that it i...Fred,<BR/><BR/>I understand. I am simply thinking that it is exactly the only title he has. If only Nigeria would call with a miter....<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-87124252913777123252007-08-06T12:50:00.000-07:002007-08-06T12:50:00.000-07:00jimB ... but the "longer question" is why David An...jimB ... but the "longer question" is why David Anderson continues to refer to HIMSELF as "Canon" when it was a title given by the Bishop of Los Angeles for his service IN the Diocese of Los Angeles (the title is actually "Canon of the Cathedral Center of the Diocese of L.A.) when he's dusted off his feet of the whole apostate lot of us here in La-La Land. I know it's a question I've seen Canon Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-16290810997200743362007-08-06T07:33:00.000-07:002007-08-06T07:33:00.000-07:00".... Canon (why he's still calling himself that s...".... Canon (why he's still calling himself that since the honorific came from the Apostate Diocese of Los Angeles still confuses me) Anderson...."<BR/><BR/>Have you noticed that other than 'the defendant no other titles appear to be on offer? I suspect that is the short explanation.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-85976897290375895502007-08-06T06:25:00.000-07:002007-08-06T06:25:00.000-07:00Oh Susan! Please call "game over" for the Spogific...Oh Susan! Please call "game over" for the Spogification of theological discourse in my country, and get Jack Spong to stay at home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-53635031212761209952007-08-06T05:10:00.000-07:002007-08-06T05:10:00.000-07:00Dear Rev. Russell: My rule is that the first perso...Dear Rev. Russell:<BR/><BR/> My rule is that the first person who invokes the "Hitler" reference automatically loses the debate.<BR/> Using the "Hitler-facist-communist" epithets only shows that you have no argument.<BR/> <BR/>A sinner saved by God's Grace,<BR/><BR/>Jim from MichiganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com