tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post5387194427588889112..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Here's what I have to say about MaineSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-10208264587832058422009-11-05T21:07:40.072-08:002009-11-05T21:07:40.072-08:00Ok, I will add my two cents here. The problem is t...Ok, I will add my two cents here. The problem is that the anti-gay marriage ran a campaign based on fear without using the God given gift of reason.<br /><br />It was through reason that we eventually understood that slavery of African Americans was wrong. It is through reason that we have begun to understand that women have an important place in the leadership of the Church.<br /><br />So it is Br. Anselm Philip King-Lowe, OSBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153443604460189234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-62974093548692606412009-11-05T20:30:40.471-08:002009-11-05T20:30:40.471-08:00Susan,
I give my confession and ask absolution o...Susan, <br /><br />I give my confession and ask absolution of you. I despaired. No life is worth casting aside, even those of bigots.<br /><br />I will say that, while no one is beyond the Grace of God, I believe that these people refuse it. I cannot help them, only stand against them. They are in God's care, and only He can help them, now. <br /><br />But I know that we will stand. MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-33332383303425586182009-11-05T20:25:08.325-08:002009-11-05T20:25:08.325-08:00Yeah, but, John, I love the land here. I have a p...Yeah, but, John, I love the land here. I have a parish, friends, family, even a job in which I'm out and open . . . and accepted. Not by everyone, no, but by those special to me. Why should I want to leave? Why should you want to leave those people? Do we partition our homes and say there are places we won't go? <br /><br />I want the bigots gone, too. I want them to have no MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-5734316939319078912009-11-05T18:43:27.562-08:002009-11-05T18:43:27.562-08:00Susan-- I CAN imagine what it's like to have a...Susan-- I CAN imagine what it's like to have a deep, caring, spiritual, emotional relationship with someone of the same sex. Because I have that in my life.[a few in fact]. My very best friend for over 40 years is someone I confide in, someone I cherish, someone I laugh with, someone I cry with. We travel together! Some one I pray with. It's a wonderful relationship, which nourishes me, LGMarshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04902418111182358582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-5366718572401322362009-11-05T09:22:01.871-08:002009-11-05T09:22:01.871-08:00Susan...
Just know that some of we " Straig...Susan...<br /><br /><br />Just know that some of we " Straight Allies* will continue to fight for justice for ALL persons.The Pensacola Hippie https://www.blogger.com/profile/09884718046229306672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-5398849855283358362009-11-04T22:25:33.238-08:002009-11-04T22:25:33.238-08:00That's like saying that we should recognize th...That's like saying that we should recognize the humanity of rabid dogs or the rabid dogs win.<br /><br />I'm sorry. I just don't but it. Maybe when I've had time to heal from their latest evil; but, meanwhile, I want them to experience every moment, every ounce, every jot and tittle of <b>pain</b> they've inflicted (please, Dear Lord, let it be so!), them and their familiesMarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-91400098284434284692009-11-04T22:24:17.933-08:002009-11-04T22:24:17.933-08:00And Mark, I couldn't agree with you more about...And Mark, I couldn't agree with you more about the nature of the opposition.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-69133912970333646562009-11-04T22:23:29.139-08:002009-11-04T22:23:29.139-08:00No, Mark, you needn't go to hell, but if I wer...No, Mark, you needn't go to hell, but if I were you, I'd seriously consider moving to California or Massachusetts, anywhere outside the South.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-89955794727295268052009-11-04T21:46:20.673-08:002009-11-04T21:46:20.673-08:00TThere is virtually no prejudice shown... it's...<i>TThere is virtually no prejudice shown... it's totally mainstream to live openly homosexual.</i>(LGM)<br /><br />You're kidding right? <br /><br />Do you really need a litany of all the civil rights (NOT religious) that are denied faithful gay couples? <br /><br />Do you really need us to enumerate the injury done to families who are denied access to hospitals, pension rights, tax IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-60001672968074653812009-11-04T20:55:51.394-08:002009-11-04T20:55:51.394-08:00LGMarshall ... just for a moment imagine how it wo...LGMarshall ... just for a moment imagine how it would be to have your marriage -- the most important relationship in your life, with all the complexity of its emotional, spiritual, psychological and sexual components reduced to "opposite genital relationships."<br /><br />Honestly! (And if it really IS "all about genitals" then please get some therapy.)<br /><br />And Mark ...SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-52717294010578364022009-11-04T20:42:10.633-08:002009-11-04T20:42:10.633-08:00john,
I'm from the South. I'm liberal. ...john,<br /><br />I'm from the South. I'm liberal. So, we all can just go to Hell?<br /><br />Susan, <br /><br />You don't honestly believe these people can be reasoned with, do you? <br /><br />They're animals, incapable of compassion or decent action.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-34089597980126976122009-11-04T19:36:53.349-08:002009-11-04T19:36:53.349-08:00My spouse & I are Black & Caucasian respec...My spouse & I are Black & Caucasian respectively... all our children look like Barack Obama... yet we do not equate calling same-genital unions 'Marriage' with anything closely related to civil rights. Apples & Oranges.<br /><br />Please have same-said compassion for those who are Faithful to God's Word.[Christians] No one is saying that you cannot have same-sex relationsLGMarshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04902418111182358582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-62607773414496385862009-11-04T18:18:42.484-08:002009-11-04T18:18:42.484-08:00Susan you may be comparing apples to oranges.Susan you may be comparing apples to oranges.Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07846275532685283070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-12537952482923948882009-11-04T15:33:33.121-08:002009-11-04T15:33:33.121-08:00"But the opinions of the protestors and the s..."But the opinions of the protestors and the school house door blockers (while strongly held among their proponents and in given localities) were not the majority opinion across the country at that time."<br /><br />And? You're saying that had those views been those of a national majority, segregation and racism would have been just fine?<br /><br />And you may have grown up in the Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-63987584456170938572009-11-04T15:27:14.719-08:002009-11-04T15:27:14.719-08:00"I don't do the whole "my side"..."I don't do the whole "my side" / "your side" thing because (like the majority of so-called conservatives) I find no hope in unity through division."<br /><br />There is no hope in unity with RWers. That's why I wish we'd just let the South secede and that lot can go back to the things they know and love - segregation; antimiscegenation laws; a Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-54111169888177057522009-11-04T15:21:39.355-08:002009-11-04T15:21:39.355-08:00The idea that each of us is a “member of a given r...The idea that each of us is a “member of a given race” is simply not an idea that anyone living in the 21st century and familiar with the facts holds.<br /><br />The Genographic Project, a five-year research partnership led by National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence Dr. Spencer Wells and a team of renowned international scientists and IBM researchers, used cutting-edge genetic and computationaluffda51https://www.blogger.com/profile/11395027089123943228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-37919118350097422052009-11-04T13:53:55.237-08:002009-11-04T13:53:55.237-08:00You're kidding, right? Did you live through th...<i>You're kidding, right? Did you live through the 60's and the signing of the civil rights bill and the firehosing of protesters and the blocking of school house doors? If not, go read up on it. And if so, then what part of separate is inherently unequal don't you get?</i><br /><br />Indeed I did. But the opinions of the protestors and the school house door blockers (while strongly RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-67082435683873785732009-11-04T12:18:03.971-08:002009-11-04T12:18:03.971-08:00I don't do the whole "my side" / &qu...I don't do the whole "my side" / "your side" thing because (like the majority of so-called conservatives) I find no hope in unity through division.<br /><br />That being said, people most often disagree with each for no other reason except their own personal experiences. This is why there are no such thing as generalities.<br /><br />It really is possible for human beingsJust Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858984705804810792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-19775808170659961642009-11-04T12:01:33.120-08:002009-11-04T12:01:33.120-08:00No, you can't legislate morality. But you can ...No, you can't legislate morality. But you can -- and should -- legislate justice. For all.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-45954931163342691482009-11-04T11:08:22.831-08:002009-11-04T11:08:22.831-08:00Two points.
First, public opinion did NOT change...Two points.<br /><br />First, public opinion did NOT change on inter-racial marriage until the 1990s, 30 years AFTER the landmark Supreme Court Decision. At the time of the Loving v. Viriginia decision, a majority of Americans were opposed. If it had been put to the ballot, it would have lost. See post <a href="http://gaymarriedcalifornian.blogspot.com/2009/10/voting-on-marriage.html" rel="IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-77872561938694020272009-11-04T10:54:00.725-08:002009-11-04T10:54:00.725-08:00People of different races became friends. People ...People of different races became friends. People of different races fell in love. Many people didn't understand the "back of the bus" rules.<br /><br />Was there violence? Absolutely. Was there uncontrolled anger over the "civil rights movement". Absolutely.<br /><br />The more things change; the more they stay the same. You will always have crazies who make a bunch Just Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858984705804810792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-85073450351859429762009-11-04T10:46:31.455-08:002009-11-04T10:46:31.455-08:00Terrence Roberts of the Little Rock Nine was a rec...Terrence Roberts of the Little Rock Nine was a recent guest speaker at our church. If anyone knows that public opinion did not change before the law did, it’s Terrence Roberts. He also reminded us that it’s not necessary to travel back in time to the South in the 1960s to experience bigotry when it’s readily available right here in Southern California on a daily basis.uffda51https://www.blogger.com/profile/11395027089123943228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-49774994328660488172009-11-04T10:00:07.349-08:002009-11-04T10:00:07.349-08:00"Public opionion changed before law did ...&q..."Public opionion changed before law did ..."<br /><br />You're kidding, right? Did you live through the 60's and the signing of the civil rights bill and the firehosing of protesters and the blocking of school house doors? If not, go read up on it. And if so, then what part of separate is inherently unequal don't you get?SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-78895354111662634292009-11-04T09:45:54.814-08:002009-11-04T09:45:54.814-08:00Well as an ignorant bigot, the problem that y'...Well as an ignorant bigot, the problem that y'all are having is with the word "marriage".<br /><br />Most of the ignorant bigots I talk to could care less about same-sex marriages per se; what they object to is the word "marriage". If we all got the government out of the "marriage" business and declared ALL government-issued licenses as civil unions, the entire Just Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858984705804810792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-73400998142692058482009-11-04T09:14:33.733-08:002009-11-04T09:14:33.733-08:00I have to agree with two auntees -- why is a civil...I have to agree with two auntees -- why is a civil rights issue being voted on? Blacks, women would never have their civil rights if it were left to a popular vote! I do think we need to work with the present environment. People will support civil unions (or the polls indicate that0. Can we settle for that until bigoted and ignorant accept marriage for something other than "between one BJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08284900297714154016noreply@blogger.com