tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post6364087352587239542..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: In other news ...SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-64195042512278720922008-11-10T13:28:00.000-08:002008-11-10T13:28:00.000-08:00"Separate is not equal."Bingo!The seats at the bac..."Separate is not equal."<BR/><BR/>Bingo!<BR/><BR/>The seats at the back of the bus get to the stop at he same time as the seats at the front. How many of us - HIRAM - would be happy being relegated to the back?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-11719726725888167922008-11-10T13:17:00.000-08:002008-11-10T13:17:00.000-08:00California civil unions technically provide nearly...California civil unions technically provide nearly all the rights, but it has become apparent that these rights are frequently ignored or denied anyway.<BR/><BR/>For example are numerous cases where partners ahve been denied access to their loved one in a hospital regardless of "legal partnership". Little comfort tjat you can sue their ignorant asses after the fact.<BR/><BR/>Indeed our attorney IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-80419590991490158532008-11-10T13:15:00.000-08:002008-11-10T13:15:00.000-08:00"California already has a civil unions law that gr..."California already has a civil unions law that grants (from what I understand) all the privileges and responsibilities of marriage."<BR/><BR/>You understand incorrectly. CA's Civil Unions statute is arguably the most sweeping in the country, but it still does not make Civil Unions and marriages equivalent. Someone who's more familiar with the statute feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but IUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-14811923007629290022008-11-10T12:32:00.000-08:002008-11-10T12:32:00.000-08:00California already has a civil unions law that gra...California already has a civil unions law that grants (from what I understand) all the privileges and responsibilities of marriage. If that legal relationship is available to those who are sexually attracted to members of their own sex, then why strive for "marriage"? Is the name "marriage" that important? If it is, why is it so important?<BR/><BR/>Marriage has always been between male and Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-33976071937705467562008-11-10T12:25:00.000-08:002008-11-10T12:25:00.000-08:00It is within the California Court's authority to d...It is within the California Court's authority to determine whether the measure was properly placed on the ballot and passed. Presumably they will do so. <BR/><BR/>If they decide it was properly passed, a new effort to amend it out will likely begin immediately. <BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-42665833712900136802008-11-10T12:22:00.000-08:002008-11-10T12:22:00.000-08:00Before the Primitives start plotting their next as...Before the Primitives start plotting their next assault on those of us who are different, they should pause to consider the following. The only thing Prop. 8 did was "define" marriage in CA. It did nothing to reverse any of the other holdings of The Marriage Cases.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-6515206355426171622008-11-10T12:18:00.000-08:002008-11-10T12:18:00.000-08:00"but you still need to make the case that marriage..."but you still need to make the case that marriage does not inherently mean a relationship of male and female."<BR/><BR/>Twaddle. Some people find some people of the other gender sexually attractive and want to form life-long relationships with them (or possibly less than life-long, but call it a marriage anyway). I would rather have my teeth drilled.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-31614306531424631682008-11-10T12:16:00.000-08:002008-11-10T12:16:00.000-08:00"John, in your opinion (and for many opponents to ..."John, in your opinion (and for many opponents to Prop 8), Prop 8 was a revision. In the opinion of many other people, it was an amendment. I suppose that this will be decided by the courts."<BR/><BR/>It will - no "suppose" about it - so why don't you wait before stating anything conclusively?<BR/><BR/>"In all cultures and societies (some of which tolerated or even celebrated same-sex sexual Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-63483072073874837752008-11-10T12:04:00.000-08:002008-11-10T12:04:00.000-08:00"Activist judges" overturned laws against inter-ra..."Activist judges" overturned laws against inter-racial marriage and segregation, against the will of the voters.<BR/><BR/>And I am thankful that they did so, because if the bigotry of the US had been enshrined in law in the 1960s, a young inter-racial man named Barack Obama would never have risen to the presidency.<BR/><BR/>SO THREE CHEERS for activist judges, who protect the rights of the peopleIThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-25139223506007524612008-11-10T11:35:00.000-08:002008-11-10T11:35:00.000-08:00“The strength of your passion is not a measure of ...“The strength of your passion is not a measure of your correctness.” <BR/><BR/>You got that right. If strength of passion were the criteria for “correctness” Fred Phelps would be the most “correct” authority on LGBT issues.<BR/><BR/>“There is no society in the world that would have even thought of giving legal standing to same-sex sexual relationship until the last few decades.”<BR/><BR/>The sameuffda51https://www.blogger.com/profile/04432061902786176407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-51850783020588945382008-11-10T11:32:00.000-08:002008-11-10T11:32:00.000-08:00John, in your opinion (and for many opponents to P...John, in your opinion (and for many opponents to Prop 8), Prop 8 was a revision. In the opinion of many other people, it was an amendment. I suppose that this will be decided by the courts. Prop 8 was put forward as an amendment, and it properly passed an amendment by initiative. It will be challenged. If it were transparently a revision and not an amendment, that point would have been clearHiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-41867252015374982042008-11-10T10:51:00.000-08:002008-11-10T10:51:00.000-08:00"A change to the nature of the fundamental buildin..."A change to the nature of the fundamental building block of all societies is not something to be made likely."<BR/><BR/>Tell me, Hiram, how does it "change the nature of a fundamental building block of all societies" to encourage people to take advantage of it?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-89807362917302168142008-11-10T10:05:00.000-08:002008-11-10T10:05:00.000-08:00"John, it is true that I live in New England, and ..."John, it is true that I live in New England, and so do not know the totality of the California constitution (although I did live near Sacramento and had 8th grade civics lessons there long ago). But if this measure is transparently against Section 18, it would not have made it to the ballot."<BR/><BR/>And you have plainly forgotten what little you learned in that long-ago civics class. Sec. 18 Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-38289810121515700822008-11-10T09:37:00.000-08:002008-11-10T09:37:00.000-08:00John, it is true that I live in New England, and s...John, it is true that I live in New England, and so do not know the totality of the California constitution (although I did live near Sacramento and had 8th grade civics lessons there long ago). But if this measure is transparently against Section 18, it would not have made it to the ballot. I am sure that those who put Prop 8 forward had some very good lawyers to make sure it would be as Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-63708361834680793072008-11-10T08:43:00.000-08:002008-11-10T08:43:00.000-08:00"Proposition was submitted to the voters of Califo..."Proposition was submitted to the voters of California according to the proper procedures. "<BR/><BR/>Hiram, read Sec. 18 of the California constitution before you go running off at the mouth about something you don't know jack about.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-9835456125601703042008-11-10T08:27:00.000-08:002008-11-10T08:27:00.000-08:00Yet he has also said he would not care if same-sex...<I>Yet he has also said he would not care if same-sex marriage were legal, saying he believed that such an important societal issue should be determined by the voters or the courts.</I><BR/><BR/>And so it has.RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-25638718225317973812008-11-10T07:16:00.000-08:002008-11-10T07:16:00.000-08:00Way to go Arnold! I guess an old Austrian can lea...Way to go Arnold! I guess an old Austrian can learn new tricks.<BR/><BR/>I do hope the California Court overturns the prop 8 process. If it does, and does so quickly relatively little harm will be done. Of course, there is a level of trust that will be permanently lost. If I were a gay living in California I would not look at my neighbors quite the same way after this fiasco.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BRJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-88428241225867972812008-11-10T07:09:00.000-08:002008-11-10T07:09:00.000-08:00Wow! Good for him. And y'all. Maybe he can call h...Wow! Good for him. And y'all. Maybe he can call his good friend Gov. Charlie Crist and have a little "talk".SCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162762233972733978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-37163276398279575562008-11-10T04:22:00.000-08:002008-11-10T04:22:00.000-08:00It would seem that the supporters of same-sex marr...It would seem that the supporters of same-sex marriage in California do not understand the polity of their own state. Proposition was submitted to the voters of California according to the proper procedures. The electorate has spoken, and all proper procedures were followed. Those who do not like the result should accept the results, even if they do not like them.Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.com