tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post6787923434657665926..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Q. So how'd that sermon with a mind of its own turn out?SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-111075416653098252011-03-09T07:55:23.829-08:002011-03-09T07:55:23.829-08:00Yeah, I didn't say that or anything near it. G...Yeah, I didn't say that or anything near it. God will be our only judge when it's time to meet Him, but He was clear on the conditions in scriptures for salvation. All of a sudden after 2000 years, "oh, we can't interpret it like that that anymore, we'll hurt people in other religion's feelings!". Boo hoo.Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-52690970120505529072011-03-09T03:35:50.579-08:002011-03-09T03:35:50.579-08:00So lets see here... When I die, I will be judged b...So lets see here... When I die, I will be judged by God....and Martin T. <br /><br />Not.David and Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09545394141617985139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-90150591775403828202011-03-08T19:34:21.637-08:002011-03-08T19:34:21.637-08:00Except that it turns out that it's in scriptur...Except that it turns out that it's in scripture and the catechism. The way to salvation was made clear in those things. No one is making this up off the top of their heads. So no, it doesn't apply. I still stand by what I said.Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1956740188077836372011-03-08T18:33:12.170-08:002011-03-08T18:33:12.170-08:00I am a Christian, an Episcopalian, and I am saved....I am a Christian, an Episcopalian, and I am saved. How? Through the blood of Christ. For me (personally) I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that my faith and trust in Christ and his grace has "saved" me from eternal death and given to me eternal life.<br /><br />The rest of the story (as it applies to this thread):<br /><br />Who am I to judge who else God "saves"? Who am I David and Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09545394141617985139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-15855150085599936732011-03-08T12:32:37.279-08:002011-03-08T12:32:37.279-08:00Out of all those "paths", only one took ...Out of all those "paths", only one took on the sins of the world, to die on the cross for the WHOLE world. That can't be said for Islam or anything else. The only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. May God have mercy on those who told Him no to his face and think otherwise that He isn't the only path, especially those who swore to follow and defend the doctrine of this Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-17147076778851398842011-03-08T10:50:49.768-08:002011-03-08T10:50:49.768-08:00"If everyone is going to heaven and there is ..."If everyone is going to heaven and there is no choices to be made or disipline to follow; if Christianity is not unique... then what purpose (if any) does it serve? What would you (by "you", I mean anyone here; open question) say to someone who wasn't a Christian why they should be?"<br /><br />I'm knee deep in staff meetings and an Ash Wednesday sermon to write, but SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-43979621338747779792011-03-08T02:35:48.314-08:002011-03-08T02:35:48.314-08:00This is the most confusing conversation ever &...This is the most confusing conversation ever & difficult to follow. In my opinion, it's the perfect example of people talking past each other.<br /><br />I do want to try ask the same question that started this whole thing because I am genuinely curious.<br /><br />If everyone is going to heaven and there is no choices to be made or disipline to follow; if Christianity is not unique... Just Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858984705804810792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-36266506105268262252011-03-07T21:57:19.734-08:002011-03-07T21:57:19.734-08:00It just cracks me up, to hear that "the Churc...It just cracks me up, to hear that "the Church can't preach universal salvation: how would we ever get people to come/pledge if so?"<br /><br />The Church survived LIONS and crucifixions and boiling in oil and burnings at the stake (too often at the hands of other Christians) . . . and we're AFRAID of a "unsuccessful marketing strategy"????<br /><br />*LOL*<br /><br />JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-64333712016675423562011-03-07T15:22:30.441-08:002011-03-07T15:22:30.441-08:00Martin, my concern about the use of that verse is ...Martin, my concern about the use of that verse is that, in my opinion, it is a statement of objective reality. It is not a statement of subjective assent. It is objective statement that Jesus is the way. It has nothing to do with anyone's subjective belief or lack of belief in that statement.dr.primrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05045500427671158694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-82142172872424607342011-03-07T13:47:05.695-08:002011-03-07T13:47:05.695-08:00Fair enough...Daniel. I didn't ask your your w...Fair enough...Daniel. I didn't ask your your whole life's story though, but suit yourself. I didn't insult the good doctor, not a fan of her as I'm sure you've sniffed out but I didn't "insult" her. I would challenge her ideas and erroneous beliefs however, in your presence or anyone else if they wanted to go there. I hope you can deal with that.<br /><br />Doc,<Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-4187323109892909292011-03-07T13:10:33.285-08:002011-03-07T13:10:33.285-08:00Some random comments on this thread.
Jesus's ...Some random comments on this thread.<br /><br />Jesus's day-laborer parable is found at Matthew 20:1-16. The landowner's concluding words are: "Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Ordr.primrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05045500427671158694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-80290812818483675202011-03-07T11:46:34.732-08:002011-03-07T11:46:34.732-08:00Dear MartinT only my mother gets away with callin...Dear MartinT only my mother gets away with calling me Danny or Dannyboy; from her, it is a term of affection. From you...? so, to you I am Danielj<br /><br />I have been a Jesus follower for 54 years; water baptized at age 12 in a baptist church; spirit filled at age 19 in an A of G Bible college; received a BA in Biblical studies at age 27 and a MDiv at age 32 (both from respected evangelicaldanieljhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901342566971331937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-7122700479976700812011-03-07T10:25:24.333-08:002011-03-07T10:25:24.333-08:00Danny, are you an Episcopalian, because if you are...Danny, are you an Episcopalian, because if you are, our catechism disagrees with you, and it definitely disagrees with Bell. You're in league with the PB though...not so sure if that's a compliment or not, to you I mean.Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-75927629934445094622011-03-07T10:14:34.359-08:002011-03-07T10:14:34.359-08:00Dear IT see also Jesus' story about the hiri...Dear IT see also Jesus' story about the hiring workers at the local HomeDepot. the landowner hires some at daybreak, some at midday, some at late afternoon. all get paid the same. the full time workerws complain about this...landowner say 'it is my business; i will reward as I see fit.<br /><br />Some folks are freaking out about Bell's book even before they have an opportunity todanieljhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901342566971331937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-89997505957349498002011-03-07T09:47:32.708-08:002011-03-07T09:47:32.708-08:00Michele, faith without works is dead, as are works...Michele, faith without works is dead, as are works without faith. My point however,again, was about those who told God "No, I will not follow you". Once more time... My point was about those who told God "No, I will not follow you".Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-79805887533857535682011-03-06T22:58:40.101-08:002011-03-06T22:58:40.101-08:00Martin --
My own take is that God's love is s...Martin --<br /><br />My own take is that God's love is stubborner than the most stubborn person, and eventually everyone will want in out of the cold; even the people who are the model for the Dwarves in Lewis's _The Last Battle._<br /><br />But in any case, the very idea of going to church, or spending time in prayer or meditation, or trying my best to treat people as I would treat Michelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377615937616690461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-21376911917365829182011-03-06T21:35:08.415-08:002011-03-06T21:35:08.415-08:00Again IT, I believe you are mistaken. The Prodigal...Again IT, I believe you are mistaken. The Prodigal Son repented. He came back to the side of righteousness. My point is, why would we be in Church if the doctrine of universalism was true? If we are all saved anyway, we wouldn't have to accept or do anything right? So no, it doesn't apply. Stop trying to stick that on me. Did you even read what her sermon was about? I actually listened toNicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-41632680888386000792011-03-06T21:08:08.225-08:002011-03-06T21:08:08.225-08:00Yes Susan, and also the part when He said “I am th...Yes Susan, and also the part when He said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." We're talking about folks who flat out reject Him. Not those that never heard His message, but those that flat out told Him,"No".Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-138465806206359172011-03-06T20:54:47.297-08:002011-03-06T20:54:47.297-08:00Au contraire, Martin T, the passage I quoted was p...Au contraire, Martin T, the passage I quoted was perfectly a propos: <br /><br />you are complaining that YOU go to Mass and work on a relationship with Christ and how offended you are that anyone suggest the Father figure might accept people regardless, those who haven't done the work you have, that haven't "got" it like you have. <br /><br />i think the whining elder son in IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-91967636970750037382011-03-06T20:47:09.335-08:002011-03-06T20:47:09.335-08:00The part where he said "not everyone who says...The part where he said "not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom?"<br /><br />Found the "Jesus Saves" sermon ...<br /><br />http://inchatatime.blogspot.com/2007/02/jesus-saves.htmlSUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-26656622802392790092011-03-06T20:28:02.516-08:002011-03-06T20:28:02.516-08:00You're right Paul, you're absolutely right...You're right Paul, you're absolutely right. But it is a free gift to receive or deny. The point here is that some are saying that it doesn't matter if you flat our deny Him, and it most certainly does. Christ Himself made that clear.Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-42984580844147594912011-03-06T18:54:14.979-08:002011-03-06T18:54:14.979-08:00My faith is more than a ticket to get in to heaven...My faith is more than a ticket to get in to heaven. My faith is a calling that gives meaning to my life. My faith deals with the here and now as well as the hereafter. There are the hungry to be fed, the sick to be cared for, prisoners to be visited and strangers to be welcomed into the fold. This is our response, our "thank you" if you will, to the free gift of Christ.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410143259690873128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-34652569416901196722011-03-06T18:48:25.302-08:002011-03-06T18:48:25.302-08:00Oh IT, there is a great difference between that pa...Oh IT, there is a great difference between that passage and what I am saying. The Prodigal Son realized that he was in a state of sin and needed mercy. He came home and repented! His father was full of joy!! On the other hand, Mr. Bell, the person that Susan was mentioning, seems to be saying that you don't even have to realize that you are in need of God's grace and mercy, you already Nicole Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06751344818376806835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-20912933630093327732011-03-06T18:16:40.715-08:002011-03-06T18:16:40.715-08:00Somehow, this made me think of martin T:
‘Now hi...Somehow, this made me think of martin T:<br /><br /> ‘Now his elder son was in the field; and when he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing. He called one of the slaves and asked what was going on. He replied, “Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fatted calf, because he has got him back safe and sound.” Then he became angry and refused to go in. His father IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-15582745299996398982011-03-06T17:34:21.749-08:002011-03-06T17:34:21.749-08:00Pay you later, Martin! (If anybody else wants to &...Pay you later, Martin! (If anybody else wants to "try on" a response to "why bother" by Brother Martin, please party on. I'm running out the door to get ready for the bursting-at-the-seams new member class tonight full to the brim with new people looking for exactly what's on "the menu" I preached about this morning. In fact, I think "Why bother?" SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.com