tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post681011910197394436..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: TUTU: Time for Williams to take on homophobiaSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-67175542799631246162007-11-21T10:58:00.000-08:002007-11-21T10:58:00.000-08:00Anonymous 8:41 AM;First, I'm going to be presumptu...Anonymous 8:41 AM;<BR/><BR/>First, I'm going to be presumptuous and ask that if you don't register for a Google ID, please put some kind of ID at the end of the post so that it can be distinguished from the other Anonymous posters.<BR/><BR/>As far as Hooker goes, it has been the fashion for quite some time to teach Hooker as a "three-legged stool". Amazingly, I actually heard one of the RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-69974073880641189952007-11-21T08:41:00.000-08:002007-11-21T08:41:00.000-08:00NancyP: While I appreciate the insight, and I agre...NancyP: While I appreciate the insight, and I agree in part (i.e., too often we are guilty of eisegesis), I find it hard to believe that all the biblical material that refers to homosexuality as sin, is 'presumption'. Why do we think our understanding in this area is 'different' than that of the ancient peoples? Simply because they are 'ancient' and we aren't? Or is it because we have some newAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-22958281045465436382007-11-20T23:09:00.000-08:002007-11-20T23:09:00.000-08:00Lets explain this to anonymous (why are they alway...Lets explain this to anonymous (why are they always anonymous?) in words of one syllable:<BR/><BR/>Your bible does not mention faithfully committed gay couples.<BR/><BR/>Your translation may suggest a view not in th eoriginal.<BR/> <BR/>And it certainly does not operate with the benefit of knowledge o the 21st century. If you have a probelm with non-biblical advances, you can give up antibioticsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-38702142892335849302007-11-20T16:50:00.000-08:002007-11-20T16:50:00.000-08:00anon 4:20AM - congratulations on being coherent at...anon 4:20AM - congratulations on being coherent at that time of day.<BR/><BR/>The presumption most traditionalists have is that they know exactly what "homosexuality" is, and that the same meanings and social situations applied in ancient Israel. Additionally, they presume that all sex-associated laws and ideals had banning certain types of sex as "impure, therefore hated by God" as the ONLY Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-36335346747950442502007-11-20T07:47:00.000-08:002007-11-20T07:47:00.000-08:00anonymous 4:20am -- not a "small" question ... act...anonymous 4:20am -- not a "small" question ... actually, a FAQ ... and one I answered specificially on this blog in February 2006:<BR/><BR/>http://inchatatime.blogspot.com/2006/02/clear-truth-of-scripture.htmlSUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-28901971394925669522007-11-20T04:20:00.000-08:002007-11-20T04:20:00.000-08:00I would ask a small question: Is there one biblica...I would ask a small question: Is there one biblical example that is clearly homosexual and clearly holy, blessed by God? Every example I have seen on the issue is that it is wrong. The very first place it's mentioned (Gen 19); it's called a 'wicked thing'. This is before the Law of Moses or any of the other laws. All throughout the Bible it sees homosexuality as a sin. I can't find a single Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-8269713413310752332007-11-19T16:49:00.000-08:002007-11-19T16:49:00.000-08:00I prefer the term "heterosexist" to "homophobic" b...I prefer the term "heterosexist" to "homophobic" because I don't think they're phobic. I don't think the ronf's of the world are afraid of gays. but they are biased the same way a racist thinks someone of a different race is necessarily of lower worth or intelligence:; t hey seem themselves and their worldview as the norm.<BR/><BR/>ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-37241515241289878232007-11-19T13:32:00.000-08:002007-11-19T13:32:00.000-08:00ronfYou make my case. Oh no, you're not homophobic...ronf<BR/><BR/>You make my case. Oh no, you're not homophobic, not in the least!! But bang that Bible around about, and shout about authority. Baloney! It's selective literalism. Why do you choose it.... because you're a homophobe. Quit trying to sell yourself as anything but a homophobe. <BR/>FredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-23320534446709234672007-11-19T13:24:00.000-08:002007-11-19T13:24:00.000-08:00ronf ... no, we don't agree. But that isn't the po...ronf ... no, we don't agree. But that isn't the point, is it? The point is the Episcopal Church has -- at its General Conventions in both 2000 & 2003 -- affirmed those standards of holiness in relationship can be applied to both heterosexual and homosexual relationships. <BR/><BR/>And that perception is, for many, based on their faithful reading of Holy Scripture. <BR/><BR/>The fact that "you" SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-87976725317783133782007-11-19T12:54:00.000-08:002007-11-19T12:54:00.000-08:00The problem there, Susan, is that you and I differ...The problem there, Susan, is that you and I differ on what constitutes a holy relationship. The fact that a homosexual relationship can be monogamous and conducted with fidelity doesn't make it holy. I don't see anything in Scripture that allows one to consider a homosexual relationship as holy.RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-80644878310361297252007-11-19T12:50:00.000-08:002007-11-19T12:50:00.000-08:00Fred, I can't answer for the blogs that you named,...Fred, I can't answer for the blogs that you named, since I don't get on them, but speaking for myself I can say that I have no problem with homosexual priests and bishops, nor do I have a problem with sitting next to a homosexual in a pew or kneeling next to them at the communion rail. We're all sinners - "all have fallen short of the glory of God." I expect my clergy to set the best example RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-85541649473336035602007-11-19T12:47:00.000-08:002007-11-19T12:47:00.000-08:00ronf -- couldn't agree with you more, which is why...ronf -- couldn't agree with you more, which is why I'm such a strong advocate for holding ALL baptized people to the same standards of fidelity and monogamy as articulated by the Episcopal General Convention as the standards of holy relationships. Imagine how much more progress we could make on THAT agenda if we could focus on the values that make up faithful relationships instead of obsessing SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-26580025357654896612007-11-19T12:31:00.000-08:002007-11-19T12:31:00.000-08:00Seems to me that the problems of HIV/Aids and the ...Seems to me that the problems of HIV/Aids and the sin of sexual immorality tend to go hand in hand. Understand that I include heterosexual immorality as well as homosexual immorality in that. But if the Church wants to address things like poverty and HIV/Aids, then sexual immorality is one area that it should emphasize, not ignore.RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-35594911132521233732007-11-19T11:50:00.000-08:002007-11-19T11:50:00.000-08:00I have taken a lot of flak and have been deemed a ...I have taken a lot of flak and have been deemed a heretic or worse on the conservative blogs (T19 & Stand Firm) for naming "homophobia" as the issue they have with gays. They refuse to look at, challenge or admit that actual homophobia may be at the core of their pomposity. Oh no.....they aren't homophobic. They just don't want them as their priests and bishops or sitting next to them in their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com