tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post7223289602861839396..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Primates' Communique Finally Released ...SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-43400084897831098972007-02-20T13:31:00.000-08:002007-02-20T13:31:00.000-08:00God loves all of us (The Holy Trinity). I knew fr...God loves all of us (The Holy Trinity). I knew from the very firt time on attended worship at All Saints Pasadena (I was going to say walked on to, but I had a paper route there as a paper boy),I was welcomed and for the first time in my life I was accepted now matter who I was or where I was on my journey of faith, and (I just turned 50 yrs. old coming out of a horrific depression, as my first Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-82609145615922010402007-02-20T10:02:00.000-08:002007-02-20T10:02:00.000-08:00Yes, well, the problem with negotiating a property...Yes, well, the problem with negotiating a property settlement is that so far, TEC's position is that "It's all ours, get out." They're not interested in negotiating a settlement at all, which seems rather unfair to those congregations where TEC has never put a dime in and in fact has for many years been supported by the congregations whose land they now want to take based on the Dennis Canon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-73049484890271770982007-02-20T09:32:00.000-08:002007-02-20T09:32:00.000-08:00I'm not sure what this means, but isn't it odd tha...I'm not sure what this means, but isn't it odd that both sides believe they've lost? Maybe it's a sign that staying together is a lose-lose situation. <BR/><BR/>It's obvious neither side is going to convince the other. I don't know why this insistence on sticking together. You're all just driving each other crazy. I mean, if it hurts when you do that, stop doing that. IMHO, you should split up, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-9596108999345022682007-02-20T09:05:00.000-08:002007-02-20T09:05:00.000-08:00++Katharine said upon accepting her election as PB...++Katharine said upon accepting her election as PB that she would continue to support gays and lesbians in the Church. I don't think she will have been bullied into signing something she does not believe in. I still have great faith in her stand.Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-30674755694756811212007-02-19T22:48:00.000-08:002007-02-19T22:48:00.000-08:00I think the whole Dar-Es-Salaam "communique"is an ...I think the whole Dar-Es-Salaam "communique"is an insult to gay and lesbian Episcopalians, and the fact that PB Jefferts-Schori appears to have signed on is a further insult. Is she just doing the same trick she did at the General Convention at the last minute? Give me a break! It's enough to make anyone lose their religion...which now isn't a bad idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-8260010072648442712007-02-19T20:28:00.000-08:002007-02-19T20:28:00.000-08:00The ENS statment is about usless, full of platitud...The ENS statment is about usless, full of platitudes and no meat, and I am sick of platitudes.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-71765763839894912162007-02-19T19:45:00.000-08:002007-02-19T19:45:00.000-08:00So TEC will now be known as the Gay Liturgical Chu...So TEC will now be known as the Gay Liturgical Church? Ho Hum.<BR/><BR/>Where will that leave you in regards to the rest of christendom?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-7891208800495047922007-02-19T18:15:00.000-08:002007-02-19T18:15:00.000-08:00Virgil in Tacoma:I don't want it handled by Genera...Virgil in Tacoma:<BR/><BR/>I don't want it handled by General Convention, I want it shut down by General Convention. And by the House of Bishops before this September.<BR/><BR/>- Dennis in BremertonDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945343859290558131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-2912464329538240312007-02-19T17:47:00.000-08:002007-02-19T17:47:00.000-08:00Bishop Lee is famous for his "I'd choose heresy ov...Bishop Lee is famous for his "I'd choose heresy over schism" quote. One must consider whether the progressive wing of the church is can tolerate the "heresy" of a less than full inclusion LGBT persons or choose schism. Nothing in Lambeth teachings on sexuality permanently closed to the door. That was what the listening process was about. In this case, I think there was merely overreach on theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-70635421795169683302007-02-19T17:36:00.000-08:002007-02-19T17:36:00.000-08:00I never thought we'd get this far. Although this ...I never thought we'd get this far. Although this looks like a step back and is, maybe in giving some we can get some peace and a way forward for GL people in those provinces responsible for curtailing our forward movement. <BR/><BR/>There is also the fact that TEC has affirmed GL people with the consecration of +Robinson as well as many priest and deacons and through these acts tells others, GodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-72692078002786692742007-02-19T17:12:00.000-08:002007-02-19T17:12:00.000-08:00If I read the communique ideologically, I am depre...If I read the communique ideologically, I am depressed. (If I were conservative, I'd be depressed also). But reading it as a pragmatist, I think if we stay with the big picture, there's a lot of hope for the future here.<BR/><BR/>The only pragmatic problem I see (and it's a big one) is can much of this be accomplished without a GC response which I believe wouldn't be possible until 2009. Some of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-72680829826239779652007-02-19T15:15:00.000-08:002007-02-19T15:15:00.000-08:00The goal should be to keep the Episcopal Church mo...The goal should be to keep the Episcopal Church moving forward. The Anglican Commitment needs our witness that we will not be intimidated or dissuaded from the process. Either it will catch up with us or it won't. If it doesn't, it isn't worth saving. At the same time, we haven't yet arrived. We haven't yet done enough to become a Church where everyone is welcome. No exceptions allowed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-76044859816026480132007-02-19T15:12:00.000-08:002007-02-19T15:12:00.000-08:00We hear a quote from the PB is forthcoming in an a...We hear a quote from the PB is forthcoming in an already over-due ENS release ... stay tuned.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-10798897443108320112007-02-19T14:46:00.000-08:002007-02-19T14:46:00.000-08:00Will the Episcopal Church cave in, or will it cont...Will the Episcopal Church cave in, or will it continue to see us as human beings too and our relationships as worth blessing?<BR/><BR/>Soon enough (probably before the next GC) there will be same sex marriage in possibly NY and maybe another state. More states will add civil unions. Will these be thrown aside so the straight men in robes can feel that God loves them because they fight against theDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945343859290558131noreply@blogger.com