tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post8319566039746021264..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Presiding Bishop's action "defies explanation"SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-57523017014047145482008-01-10T04:48:00.000-08:002008-01-10T04:48:00.000-08:00Jack -- send it off to the PB; she needs it more.Jack -- send it off to the PB; she needs it more.Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-41920753566743994202008-01-07T11:03:00.000-08:002008-01-07T11:03:00.000-08:00One of the things that confuses me about the art w...One of the things that confuses me about the art work is that Mary appears to be of a different ethnic origin than the Child Jesus. The only two possibilities that come to mind are either the Child Jesus does not share Mary's flesh or He shares the flesh of someone in addition to Mary.<BR/><BR/>In either case this would be a distortion of the doctrine of the incarnation. On this level alone the phil swainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11578923445496866991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-29226155447820023622008-01-06T16:50:00.000-08:002008-01-06T16:50:00.000-08:00I, for one, have never in my life felt in the leas...I, for one, have never in my life felt in the least threatened by the power of women (and/or things deemed "feminine" in our society). It blows my mind that the very idea of "equality" scares so many in the patriarchy (sadly, this includes some women and some of my fellow gay men). Women and men are different, surely, and they are the same, surely. What matters to me is their humanity, not Jack Sprathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12894134532509615370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-14595252388663413082008-01-05T20:33:00.000-08:002008-01-05T20:33:00.000-08:00Frankly, Hiram, I think you're missing the big pic...Frankly, Hiram, I think you're missing the big picture. The Standing Committee is so eager to find fault, and to assume that the PB is trying to provoke a fight, that they assume that the card is meant to be a homily and not a card. Maybe KJS liked the artwork. Maybe something else about it touched her, and she wanted to share that with her Christmas card list. Maybe she liked the focus on Anglocathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218740053628978255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-74403555041728688232008-01-05T19:35:00.000-08:002008-01-05T19:35:00.000-08:00Hiram -- dude -- chill. It's a card. You are tre...Hiram -- dude -- chill. It's a <B>card</B>. You are treating this greeting card as if it were scripture, and you are reading waaaaay too much into it. It's a card. It's a beautiful card. It depicts several women with Jesus. Jesus is male, and therefore maleness is represented in the card. See? No worries. You, and other men, have not been left out. <BR/><BR/>Your interpretation of this Suzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03529580138314011952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-15437182680526720632008-01-05T17:26:00.000-08:002008-01-05T17:26:00.000-08:00A beautiful card.Isn't it possible that this is a ...A beautiful card.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it possible that this is a snapshot of the baby shower and that the wisemen and shepards are out of frame, watching a bowl game on cable? Assuming that Jesus was actually born during bowl season?<BR/><BR/>I think that the card and the event depicted on it, Jesus's birth, refer to a time before there was a "creedal Christianity" so I dont' think we can blame the uffda51https://www.blogger.com/profile/11395027089123943228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-33934362960238633872008-01-05T17:10:00.000-08:002008-01-05T17:10:00.000-08:00Rev. Susan, The love-of-my-life points out that th...Rev. Susan, <BR/><BR/>The love-of-my-life points out that the problem is the card is politically incorrect. Which given some of the (err) stuff one reads on conservative sights, is pretty funny.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes, Sue-z just nails it!<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-83214868994585994262008-01-05T16:25:00.000-08:002008-01-05T16:25:00.000-08:00Hiram does show the problem with the "conservative...Hiram does show the problem with the "conservatives" of today. It is a lack of religious imagination -- the freedom (so evident in the patristic era) to expand and embroider upon the bare scriptural text, gaining new insights through the expansive imagery. Look at the Protoevangelium, with its enhanced roles for women in the story (such as the midwife, and more for Mary herself to do and say). <ITobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-69232309653831985962008-01-05T15:42:00.000-08:002008-01-05T15:42:00.000-08:00Dear Rev. Russell: God so loved the world he DID N...Dear Rev. Russell:<BR/><BR/> God so loved the world he DID NOT send a committee (read HOD or HOB) to save it.<BR/> An old joke that seems to fit.<BR/><BR/>A sinner saved by God's Grace<BR/><BR/>Jim of MichiganJim of L-Townhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941398804273985677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-17868337632786057952008-01-05T14:39:00.000-08:002008-01-05T14:39:00.000-08:00"The changes to the power of bishops has to come f..."The changes to the power of bishops has to come from the House of Deputies!" <BR/><BR/>Problem is, so many resolutions dealing with that sort of matter go to the HOB first and if they axe it, we're stuck in the HOD.Caminantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16610142955176992982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-10210785642742181432008-01-05T13:10:00.000-08:002008-01-05T13:10:00.000-08:00The trouble with this card, from a conservative po...The trouble with this card, from a conservative point of view, is not that there are women involved in the birth of the Lord Jesus, or that women greeted and praised him, as they no doubt did, based on the testimony of the shepherds to the people of Bethlehem.<BR/><BR/>The problem with this card is that it seeks to "improve" Scripture. It makes evident the idea that the account of the Magi is Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-44837329394687264102008-01-05T08:53:00.000-08:002008-01-05T08:53:00.000-08:00I think barbie click's comment says it all and hit...I think barbie click's comment says it all and hits the nail on the head. God chose a WOMAN to bear his son, and the guys have been trying to make up for that ever since. I think it's called "womb envy" or something like that! FW seems determined to see to it that no one takes them seriously.GraceCanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16530201612215891805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-71520317916405892312008-01-05T08:05:00.000-08:002008-01-05T08:05:00.000-08:00Now you are seeing just how far the Dio of Ft. Wor...Now you are seeing just how far the Dio of Ft. Worth has slipped from the Episc. mainstream. I have been yelling for 30 years about the kind of isolationism that Ft. W has kept up. It isn't Iker's fault--it is the fault of a sucession of bishops who set up their own feifdom many years ago. And as long as TEC allows the unfettering of bishops the church will continue to have this kind of Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-8033652742556434702008-01-05T07:36:00.000-08:002008-01-05T07:36:00.000-08:00What a beautiful card! What a pity some in FW cou...What a beautiful card! What a pity some in FW could not see beyond their own childish egos to appreciate this artist's rendering of Madonna(s) and child. I thought that our focus on Christmas was about Madonna and child anyway?Suzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03529580138314011952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-90716676044997411922008-01-05T06:56:00.000-08:002008-01-05T06:56:00.000-08:00I wonder if Bishop Iker was the "at least one bish...I wonder if Bishop Iker was the "at least one bishop" referred to in the StandFirm outrage ath Katharine's card (http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/8544/) last month. I have some of my own thoughts at Telling Beads (12/21).Jeffri Harrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06461994557670902616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-14758464122487642892008-01-05T02:22:00.000-08:002008-01-05T02:22:00.000-08:00I love the card! I'm sure Jack will soon come to s...I love the card! I'm sure Jack will soon come to see the light :)Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17851789276439393822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-78013729014150500092008-01-04T21:20:00.000-08:002008-01-04T21:20:00.000-08:00Help me out here, Susan. (Maybe we need an officia...Help me out here, Susan. (Maybe we need an official historian.) Would this be the first time in the history of the Episcopal Church that a duly elected Standing Committee has felt the need to pronounce upon the orthodoxy (or lack thereof) of a Presiding Bishop's Christmas card? Fer-god-sakes! Those people need to get day jobs! <BR/><BR/>LOL! and thanks for the laugh.Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-82823071573826710672008-01-04T20:29:00.000-08:002008-01-04T20:29:00.000-08:00These are the same people who do not understand Je...These are the same people who do not understand Jesus as our Mother either.<BR/><BR/>Thank you Julian of Norwich<BR/><BR/>I am amazed by Orthodox Anglicans who know so little of what Anglicanism is all about. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps if the artist had protrayed Jesus in the nude on his mother's lap the Bishop's need for a masculine image would have been fulfilled.<BR/><BR/>I used to think penis worship Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11298462536605584928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-49261673223958423472008-01-04T20:27:00.000-08:002008-01-04T20:27:00.000-08:00In my opinion the words of the Fort Worth Standing...In my opinion the words of the Fort Worth Standing Committee validate the decision of the PB's choice in cards (thankfully they use their valuable time to monitor such vital issues)as well as the artist's statement and vision. "How is that?" You ask. Clearly, there are not three wise men in Fort Worth. <BR/>(John Bellamy; St. Paul's Church in Kingsport, TN)Andrallenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01992983143003457863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-67422919357086295502008-01-04T20:12:00.000-08:002008-01-04T20:12:00.000-08:00anglocat ... I'm half-bright but not actually clev...anglocat ... I'm half-bright but not actually clever enough to think up such a "spoof" ... sad, but true, it's yet-another-episode of the real-life reality show "As the Anglican World Turns"SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-26367104346920777752008-01-04T20:05:00.000-08:002008-01-04T20:05:00.000-08:00What, he wanted Dogbert in a Santa suit?Please tel...What, he wanted Dogbert in a Santa suit?<BR/><BR/>Please tell me this is a little spoof you're playing. The man's going ballistic because there aren't any guys on the front of the PB's Christmas card?<BR/><BR/>Not that I'm in love with the card, mind you; nice thought, but I'm just not a fan of cards with long explanations of their symbolism...<BR/><BR/>But it's a bleedin' Christmas card. Anglocathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218740053628978255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-60324012750530050472008-01-04T19:54:00.000-08:002008-01-04T19:54:00.000-08:00And if Jack Iker had not posted it all over FW - n...And if Jack Iker had not posted it all over FW - no one would have seen it -- now the world knows!Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-73387118457932072042008-01-04T19:46:00.001-08:002008-01-04T19:46:00.001-08:00Aided by Bp. Iker's letter and the former bishop o...Aided by Bp. Iker's letter and the former bishop of SJ's interview, I have discerned a trend emerging in 2008. It will be a <B>very</B> bad year for satirists. Reality is grabbing all the good material!<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-86772017959352437422008-01-04T19:46:00.000-08:002008-01-04T19:46:00.000-08:00Re-interpretation of scripture? It's a Christmas c...Re-interpretation of scripture? It's a Christmas card with an image of the Holy infant cradled by a representation of all the world's madonnas. What's not to like? It's symbolic. How can you be Episcopal/Anglican/Catholic or one of the Orthodox's and not get symbolism? But they don't. There really isn't enough common ground for them to stay in the EC, that's why they're leaving.<BR/><BR/>The goodJim Costichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08791917017485731005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-67731022037559272192008-01-04T19:20:00.000-08:002008-01-04T19:20:00.000-08:00Thanks!Thanks!Kirstinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07928583212781425068noreply@blogger.com