tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post114479393277259471..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: The Episcopal Church in the BalanceSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144995212654102192006-04-13T23:13:00.000-07:002006-04-13T23:13:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan,You bring up a good point, and it furth...Rev. Susan,<BR/><BR/>You bring up a good point, and it further illustrates what I'm saying: This whole thing is terribly messy and not as simple as Bishop Swing makes it out to be. My point is not to go around charging orthodox priests and bishops of "mutiny" and other slanderous accusations. They have larger concerns, as do you.<BR/><BR/>The church truly needs God to grant Solomonic wisdom to Chip Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055858187692162039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144886707892868792006-04-12T17:05:00.000-07:002006-04-12T17:05:00.000-07:00Well, Laine, when the wingnuts start coming in out...Well, Laine, when the wingnuts start coming in out of far right field, that happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144874232553864602006-04-12T13:37:00.000-07:002006-04-12T13:37:00.000-07:00Oh a lunatic fringe mutual admiration society deve...Oh a lunatic fringe mutual admiration society developing between bb and anon. Isn't it cute!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144872664075796122006-04-12T13:11:00.000-07:002006-04-12T13:11:00.000-07:00Amazing, Anon - Swing completely screws up by poin...Amazing, Anon - Swing completely screws up by pointing fingers at Archbishop Akinola for the comment "They (the Episcopal Church) may get the building, but you will get the blessing. What God is looking for is your faith, not your facility." And it turns out it's Californian and author of the Purpose Driven Life, Rick Warren (who was also at the Pittsburgh meeting attended by thousands of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144871869893600022006-04-12T12:57:00.001-07:002006-04-12T12:57:00.001-07:00Laura ... presuming that the Holy Spirit is indeed...Laura ... presuming that the Holy Spirit is indeed genderless and given the limitations of our English language when one must default to pronouns for describing the Third Person of the Trinity alternating between the male and female acheives a good balance. (As for "scriptural warrant" there's the Hebrew word for Spirit to fall back on -- Ruach.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144871841590102032006-04-12T12:57:00.000-07:002006-04-12T12:57:00.000-07:00Point of clarification these words were spoken by ...Point of clarification these words were spoken by Rick Warren, another great man, but not Archbishop Akinola.“They (the Episcopal Church) may get the building, but you will get the blessing. What God is looking for is your faith, not your facility.”<BR/><BR/>Outside of the fact that this article is self contradictory, I thought the least it could do is get the facts right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144870937525050592006-04-12T12:42:00.000-07:002006-04-12T12:42:00.000-07:00WOW! Thank you Babyblue!WOW! Thank you Babyblue!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144869722762062532006-04-12T12:22:00.000-07:002006-04-12T12:22:00.000-07:00Good Heavens, has this bishop forgotten about the ...Good Heavens, has this bishop forgotten about the laity? It is the laity who hold the purse for this church - and for the local parish and it is the laity that make up the Anglican Communion Network. He seems to be totally ignorant - this is a movement of the laity. You pick on the Network, you pick on us. It is the laity who is speaking in regards to the property, not some feudalistic lords Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144869368296007482006-04-12T12:16:00.000-07:002006-04-12T12:16:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan- I am going to go with the thought tha...Rev. Susan- I am going to go with the thought that it was a mistype when you said "the Holy Spirit of God quit revealing HER will.." rather than a purposeful use of a pronoun. Since when did the Scriptures ever refer to the Holy Spirit in the feminine tense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144866056833344782006-04-12T11:20:00.000-07:002006-04-12T11:20:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan,First, you were the one who made a refe...Rev. Susan,<BR/><BR/>First, you were the one who made a reference to what the "endowers" wanted, and suggested that they didn't want their bequests going to the Ugandan Church. Which is it? That it matters what the "endowers" wanted, or that it doesn't?<BR/><BR/>Second, how do you know this is what the Holy Spirit has revealed? How do you know that it isn't just what you want to hear? <BR/><BRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144861666458131312006-04-12T10:07:00.000-07:002006-04-12T10:07:00.000-07:00And some of them left bequests to a church that su...And some of them left bequests to a church that supported segregation and didn't ordain women. The idea that the Holy Spirit of God quit revealing her will in the prior generation is, I believe, more heretical than continuing to follow the Spirit into a future where all of the baptized are truly fully included in the Body of Christ.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144857975608783772006-04-12T09:06:00.000-07:002006-04-12T09:06:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan,Nearly ALL of those "endowers" left the...Rev. Susan,<BR/>Nearly ALL of those "endowers" left their bequests to a church that did not (1) bless gay marriages or (2) consecrate non-celibate gay bishops.<BR/><BR/>Why is it that you cannot see that you all are the ones creating something new? The generations that came before created trusts for something very, very different than what you espouse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144853917126233832006-04-12T07:58:00.000-07:002006-04-12T07:58:00.000-07:00Well, I don't see any use of trying to change Chr...Well, I don't see any use of trying to change Christianity to fit YOUR particular needs. Isn't what this is all about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144850853438001142006-04-12T07:07:00.000-07:002006-04-12T07:07:00.000-07:00In all reality, if there is a division, there is n...In all reality, if there is a division, there is no way ECUSA could afford to keep all of the properties of those parishes that would leave. Rather than fighting the "power" issue as the bishop states, it would be the Christian thing to do for ECUSA to find a way to allow them to keep their property. The National Church would end up having to sell the majority of the buildings anyway. If this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144850713617506312006-04-12T07:05:00.000-07:002006-04-12T07:05:00.000-07:00chip -- on "property" just for the sake of argumen...chip -- on "property" just for the sake of argument, what about the generations of donors and "endowers" who went before and left their bequests in trust for the Episcopal Church -- not the Anglican Diocese of Uganda? And when it really comes down to it, isn't money the outward and visible sign of who HAS the power?<BR/><BR/>rmf -- methinks they wouldn't be given anywhere near such latitude by SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144850672928508122006-04-12T07:04:00.000-07:002006-04-12T07:04:00.000-07:00Chip has said it exactly right. Many faithful foll...Chip has said it exactly right. Many faithful followers of Christ have made impressive sacrifices, from multi-million dollar bequests to widow's mites, to sustain and build up the Episcopal Church's embodiment and institution of Christ's "ekklesia" in their communities as well as in the rest of ECUSA. Such people are standing up for faith, not power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144849548895658452006-04-12T06:45:00.000-07:002006-04-12T06:45:00.000-07:00I will say this much. If we do get kicked out of ...I will say this much. If we do get kicked out of the Anglican Communion due to the selfishness of Integrity, Oasis, and other left wing fundamental groups, the property will no longer belong to the Episcopal Church. You guys will not have a leg to stand on. So I would suggest to abide by the Windsor Report and get your butt in line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144842913342795142006-04-12T04:55:00.000-07:002006-04-12T04:55:00.000-07:00I hope that those dissident bishops have presentme...I hope that those dissident bishops have presentment charges brought against them as soon as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1144817561643325012006-04-11T21:52:00.000-07:002006-04-11T21:52:00.000-07:00"The property issue tells the tale. This fight is ..."The property issue tells the tale. This fight is about power, not principle."<BR/><BR/>It isn't that simple, Bishop Swing. Let's say that your parishioners have poured thousands, no, millions of dollars into a new church building over the last decade. Or let's say that you're a leader of a small parish whose members have paid the finances necessary just to keep an old building from falling apartChip Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055858187692162039noreply@blogger.com