tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post114970050023807696..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: The "No's Have ItSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149959453295117052006-06-10T10:10:00.000-07:002006-06-10T10:10:00.000-07:00Tony, the point is not, as you put it, to "keep re...Tony, the point is not, as you put it, to "keep religious values out of the public square." Nor is anyone suggesting that "Christian values should not matter in civil affairs." The point is that there are basic values that are shared by Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and atheists alike -- values like not murdering, not stealing, respecting the dignity and rights of our fellow Lorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607439799725636481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149937335091336422006-06-10T04:02:00.000-07:002006-06-10T04:02:00.000-07:00Jeff, I find it interesting that you find it neces...Jeff, I find it interesting that you find it necessary to take basically a non-Christian approach to this question. You have argued that separation of church and state means that Christian values should not matter in civil affairs. But why should religious values be kept out of the public square? So that you can have gay marriage? So that you can impose what you think God wants in the name ofTony Seelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751662054424993371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149887921416246832006-06-09T14:18:00.000-07:002006-06-09T14:18:00.000-07:00Jeff, and if I were a libertarian, I would agree w...Jeff, and if I were a libertarian, I would agree with you. But, I'm a Christian who believes that God has the last word on these issues and that society is best when it operates closest to God's design. God's design is male and female when it comes to marriage. If American society wants to go the libertarian route that is one thing. But I will continue to work and hope that we can as close asTony Seelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751662054424993371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149835036153374322006-06-08T23:37:00.000-07:002006-06-08T23:37:00.000-07:00McKenna, I'd like to address a couple of fallacies...McKenna, I'd like to address a couple of fallacies in your arguments, which seem to commonly crop up in the anti-gay arguments of religious conservatives:<BR/><BR/><I>1. "Children are healthier/happier/best-served by having a mother and a father in the home, as demonstrated by studies of children who have been abandoned by one parent or the other. This means that children of gay parents, by Lorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607439799725636481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149823283621936512006-06-08T20:21:00.000-07:002006-06-08T20:21:00.000-07:00tony ... yep ... and many like Coretta Scott King ...tony ... yep ... and many like Coretta Scott King and Julian Bond stand with us and see it as part of the same struggle.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149803409562451692006-06-08T14:50:00.000-07:002006-06-08T14:50:00.000-07:00Susan, many blacks believe that marriage is betwee...Susan, many blacks believe that marriage is between a man and a woman and totally resent your use of the civil rights movement for something that they consider wrong and in no way a protected civil liberty.Tony Seelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751662054424993371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149780723012337702006-06-08T08:32:00.000-07:002006-06-08T08:32:00.000-07:00This is a terrific photo representing the unity of...This is a terrific photo representing the unity of many diverse groups in America that know the FMA was a piece of discriminatory and bigoted Republican pandering to the radical right-wing base of the President's party. <BR/><BR/>Thank you Susan, for being there, doing the wind sprint, and representing Integrity and its members. And thank you for sharing your impression of the Mall and all it Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149757834582524412006-06-08T02:10:00.000-07:002006-06-08T02:10:00.000-07:00I think there's this thing called "seperation of c...I think there's this thing called "seperation of church and state." Someone's theology that God made us male and female as the basis for marriage should not have any bearing on the legal definition of marriage.<BR/><BR/>A friend of mine who's on Wayne Besen's mailing list sent me this. It's creepy the influence the "ex-gay" ministries have had on the marriage issue.<BR/><BR/>---------------------shindohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05318041678851578387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149730834865107052006-06-07T18:40:00.000-07:002006-06-07T18:40:00.000-07:00Attacking Rev. Susan personally is beneath the dig...Attacking Rev. Susan personally is beneath the dignity of a real Christian, mckenna. All you are doing is spurring us on with your vehement but trulty weak attacks on her character and ministry, and that of others who post in favor of equal rights for all under the Constitution, and for the baptized in Christ.<BR/><BR/>You sound like a very unhappy person and I am sorry for your state of mind. Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149724426518431912006-06-07T16:53:00.000-07:002006-06-07T16:53:00.000-07:00jfmckenna -- tell that to the lesbian couple who j...jfmckenna -- tell that to the lesbian couple who just celebrated their 30th anniversary with a renewal of vows service here at All Saints last week. Strong marriages make a strong society. No argument there. <BR/><BR/>So let's have as many of them as possible and do all we can to support them -- let's look at the values that make up a marriage, not the gender of the partners who commit themselvesSUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149724232338905592006-06-07T16:50:00.000-07:002006-06-07T16:50:00.000-07:00tony ... and with all due respect the poll numbers...tony ... and with all due respect the poll numbers on integrating public schools in 1954 would probably have been in the same ballpark as the poll numbers on marrriage equality are in 2006. Equal protection is equal protection. I will defend to my last breath your freedom to express your understanding of God's will for Christian marriage: can you not see that it is contrary to upholding the civilSUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1149721324304252232006-06-07T16:02:00.000-07:002006-06-07T16:02:00.000-07:00Susan, I can understand why you believe this legis...Susan, I can understand why you believe this legislation is discriminatory, but I do hope that you understand that for others, about 51% of Americans by recent polling, marriage should be for one man and one woman. I can only speak for myself as to why I agree with the majority: because God made us male and female and gave us marriage between a male and a female.Tony Seelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751662054424993371noreply@blogger.com