tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post115069421423092621..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Who'd Have Thunk It?SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1151637562979302762006-06-29T20:19:00.000-07:002006-06-29T20:19:00.000-07:00Can anyone comment on David Virtue's assertion tha...Can anyone comment on David Virtue's assertion that four to nine right-wing retired bishops voted for Bishop Katharine to force a division in ECUSA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150990174654599702006-06-22T08:29:00.000-07:002006-06-22T08:29:00.000-07:00Jeff and those in the know are right about the Hol...Jeff and those in the know are right about the Holy Spirit, She is feminine. And if you do your biblical homework, which the conservatives have not, you would know that. Need more education, get it in a simple sermon entitled "Pentecost: Who's Your Mama? The Holy Spirit Is" on my blog "Come to the Table...". I am sure if Susan had the time much less the energy she would clarify those who need Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150838513291874732006-06-20T14:21:00.000-07:002006-06-20T14:21:00.000-07:00Jim,And thank you for your response back. Differen...Jim,<BR/><BR/>And thank you for your response back. Differences about whether humanity's fall and our redemption motivate our mission are a major source of division between progressives and orthodox. <BR/><BR/>I like what you say about holding others in high esteem and seeking to look for the good in others, but in terms of goodness, isn't only one [i.e., God] ultimately good, as Jesus said? <BR/Chip Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055858187692162039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150827532359568762006-06-20T11:18:00.000-07:002006-06-20T11:18:00.000-07:00Sara, if you are referring to the 2 Cor. 5 passage...Sara, if you are referring to the 2 Cor. 5 passage, the plain meaning of the text seems clear. I am interested in how the passage strikes you, since you imply that it does not speak to the points I raised. My reasons for visiting this blog are similar to yours perhaps for visiting reasserting blogs. Dialogue, anyone?Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977779239065397137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150822567723988732006-06-20T09:56:00.000-07:002006-06-20T09:56:00.000-07:00by the way, I appreciate the willingness of those ...by the way, I appreciate the willingness of those who hold various viewpoints to engage in conversation here. I usually choose not a read to blogs of those I strongly disagree with, and choose not to engage in dialog, so thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150822447629310042006-06-20T09:54:00.000-07:002006-06-20T09:54:00.000-07:00we know the seeds by their fruits...I see plenty o...we know the seeds by their fruits...<BR/><BR/>I see plenty of the fruits of the Spirit in the election of our new PB, and in the conversation here. <BR/><BR/>go look them up if you feel the need. <BR/><BR/>it must be very reassuring to feel you have the right interpretation of each scriptural passage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150816189176362832006-06-20T08:09:00.000-07:002006-06-20T08:09:00.000-07:00Jim, to address the point directly that you say I ...Jim, to address the point directly that you say I missed, namely the mission of the Church. You said to Chip that it is "to reconcile ourselves to God and to one another". A fine sentiment. But we have not the power or the goodness in our unregenerate selves to do it genuinely. St. Paul would agree that the church's mission is reconciliation, and he would be in agreement with Jesus, "who was Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977779239065397137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150811471243256492006-06-20T06:51:00.000-07:002006-06-20T06:51:00.000-07:00Renee wrote: Does it really frighten you that much...Renee wrote: <I>Does it really frighten you that much? This isn't even calling God "She", it's using a feminine pronoun for the Holy Spirit. </I><BR/><BR/>Oh yes, I'm deathly afraid of possessive pronouns :) Help!<BR/><BR/>My point is the behavior and thoughts displayed here are clearly not of the Spirit, and I would not be surprised to find that many of you have an asherah pole or two in your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150808932405186812006-06-20T06:08:00.000-07:002006-06-20T06:08:00.000-07:00You know, there is somethign to be said for the pr...You know, there is somethign to be said for the process of consensus. When a decision is reached through a consensus process, whether the Quaker model or another, everyone must support, or at least agree not to block, a decision in order for it to pass. Everyone who feels moved to speak shall speak, and in the end, no one can say, "well, I didn't vote for it."<BR/><BR/>In large groups, such a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150806552210492442006-06-20T05:29:00.000-07:002006-06-20T05:29:00.000-07:00Milton - you may say and believe what you have sai...Milton - you may say and believe what you have said about your interpretation of scripture. You have not however addressed my last question regarding the mission of the Church. You may dismiss my liberal view of the authority of scripture but you likewise "Cherry-pick" the verses you use to express your point of view. I am not saying that Jesus did not give his life as a "ransom" to many. Jim Straderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781331975297370366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150777794694215622006-06-19T21:29:00.000-07:002006-06-19T21:29:00.000-07:00Jim, I don't "banter" about Scripture, for "it is ...Jim, I don't "banter" about Scripture, for "it is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."<BR/><BR/>Did you not recognize Mark 10: 45 "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977779239065397137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150770243009562622006-06-19T19:24:00.000-07:002006-06-19T19:24:00.000-07:00Milton - "Why do you question thus in your hearts?...Milton - <I>"Why do you question thus in your hearts? Which is easier to say to the paralytic, "Your sins are forgiven, or to say "Rise, take up your pallet and walk?" But that you may know that the Son of man has authority to forgive sins" - he said to the paralytic- "I , say to you, rise, take up your pallet and go home." (Mark 2: 8b-11) </I> <BR/><BR/>I was born and raised in a Southern Jim Straderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781331975297370366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150764848733599232006-06-19T17:54:00.000-07:002006-06-19T17:54:00.000-07:00The Holy Spirit in Her wisdom led the BishopsAh, g...<I>The Holy Spirit in Her wisdom led the Bishops</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, goddess worship. Not surprising to find it lurking about here.<BR/>--<BR/>Does it really frighten you that much? This isn't even calling God "She", it's using a feminine pronoun for the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is, by definition, a Christian, trinitarian entity. And one that transcends gender, I should think. Our language, Renee in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741974339127525003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150763538828732812006-06-19T17:32:00.000-07:002006-06-19T17:32:00.000-07:00Jim, re your last comment:"I reject "Fall/redempti...Jim, re your last comment:<BR/>"I reject "Fall/redemption" theology as being a constituitive reason for tending to the needs of the world. I ground my Christian theology in the historical fact that Jesus accomplished his work and forgave sin well before he was executed on Golgotha."<BR/><BR/>Jesus said "I have a baptism to undergo (crucifixion) and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!" Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977779239065397137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150762521854003802006-06-19T17:15:00.000-07:002006-06-19T17:15:00.000-07:00All I can say is Thanks be to God! It is so obviou...All I can say is Thanks be to God! It is so obvious that the Holy Spirit is moving in a very prophetic way within our beloved Episcopal Church. I am so incredibly thankful for what has taken place. Of course, the detractors and nay sayers abound (especially here in the Diocese of South Carolina) and to that I say "Go in peace to love and serve teh Lord!" Hopefully the Holy Spirit will purge this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150753842031120672006-06-19T14:50:00.000-07:002006-06-19T14:50:00.000-07:00Chip - Thank you for your comments. The theologic...Chip - Thank you for your comments. The theological distinctions that you make in your comments perhaps do indeed delay, or disenable you and I and others like us to accomplish Christ's work in the world.<BR/><BR/>I reject "Fall/redemption" theology as being a constituitive reason for tending to the needs of the world. I ground my Christian theology in the historical fact that Jesus accomplishedJim Straderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781331975297370366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150750503467106952006-06-19T13:55:00.000-07:002006-06-19T13:55:00.000-07:00The Holy Spirit in Her wisdom led the BishopsAh, g...<I>The Holy Spirit in Her wisdom led the Bishops</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, goddess worship. Not surprising to find it lurking about here.<BR/><BR/>I guess we agree, the episcopagan bishops were led by a spirit. It's not the same Spirit that fell on the apostles at Pentecost, but a spirit nonetheless. It's a shame. You all seem like such nice people. <BR/><BR/>Repent and turn to Christ. <BR/><BR/>Peace,<BRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150748493309155922006-06-19T13:21:00.000-07:002006-06-19T13:21:00.000-07:00Jim (and Catherine),We on the orthodox end take re...Jim (and Catherine),<BR/><BR/>We on the orthodox end take reconciliation as our mission as well, but reconciliation in terms of social justice issues is not our primary concern. We are primarily concerned with reconciling sinful human beings to the God who made them, loves them, and calls on them to repent and believe the good news (a call that extends to all of humanity, not just some of us). Chip Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055858187692162039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150740114711216702006-06-19T11:01:00.000-07:002006-06-19T11:01:00.000-07:00I reviewed the Rev. Sen. John Danforth's presentat...I reviewed the Rev. Sen. John Danforth's <A HREF="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/75164_ENG_HTM.htmp" REL="nofollow">presentation </A>to the General Convention the other night. I think he said something that all Episcopalians need to heed. The issue, really the <B>theme</B>, that we need to act upon is the reconciliatory work of the Gospel of Jesus the Christ. This gospel-vision work includes Jim Straderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781331975297370366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150730808845232242006-06-19T08:26:00.000-07:002006-06-19T08:26:00.000-07:00As for the election of our new PB, it is truly a g...As for the election of our new PB, it is truly a good time in life to be named +Katharine, however it may be spelled. And as hers and my name come from the Greek, may the cleansing and purging of hatred, loathing, narrow-mindedness, poverty, homelessness be "cleansed and purged" as much as humanly possible under +Katharine's guidance. And she will guide us as the Spirit of God will her in Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150730581009362992006-06-19T08:23:00.000-07:002006-06-19T08:23:00.000-07:00Hiram, luck has nothing to do with it. God has r...Hiram, luck has nothing to do with it. God has revealed Their will so it has been done and will continue to be done in the future.<BR/><BR/>There are two constants in the in this world, Hiram, and they God and Change. Right now, some people in our Communion are having a hard time with both. The Holy Spirit in Her wisdom led the Bishops because they had their hearts and minds truly open to theCatherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267544451078638468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150728119105567772006-06-19T07:41:00.000-07:002006-06-19T07:41:00.000-07:00I guess this is it; the Anglican realignment will ...I guess this is it; the Anglican realignment will move into high gear as ecusa has clearly signalled her intent to walk apart. The Episcopal Church will become The Episcopal Communion with its 16 countries. Maybe it can add Canada, New Zealand and a few other places. I expect that the Anglican Communion through the ABC and the Primates will declare that ecusa has chosen to go its own way. It Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150722385043058192006-06-19T06:06:00.000-07:002006-06-19T06:06:00.000-07:00Good luck to her -- she'll need it.Good luck to her -- she'll need it.Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150722203844691072006-06-19T06:03:00.000-07:002006-06-19T06:03:00.000-07:00ann ... fixed. thanksann ... fixed. thanksSUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1150715387001817012006-06-19T04:09:00.000-07:002006-06-19T04:09:00.000-07:00Congratulations from Germany. And all the best for...Congratulations from Germany. And all the best for Katherine Jefferts Schori and her supporters.Shualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08586117846879850768noreply@blogger.com