tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post5336349178342550062..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: GOOD FRIDAY: "By his wounds, we are healed"SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-81457219316234767692009-04-15T12:55:00.000-07:002009-04-15T12:55:00.000-07:00Spike ... thanks for taking time to "commentette."...Spike ... thanks for taking time to "commentette."<br /><br />Let me try this one more time:<br /><br />I never said there wasn't an atonement doctrine -- in fact, I said the atonement doctrine has BEEN the dominant doctrine in the church -- SUCH a dominant doctrine that many Christians have never heard that there are, were and have been since the beginning, other understandings of the efficacy SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-5858181457916547702009-04-14T18:56:00.000-07:002009-04-14T18:56:00.000-07:00hi susan
i heard your good friday "sermonette" at ...hi susan<br />i heard your good friday "sermonette" at all saints. i don't agree that in the first 1000 years of christianity there was no doctrine of christ's atonement on the cross for sin. the letters of paul, particulary romans, mention this doctrine. i believe christ died for our sins and to free us from the fear of death(liked that part of sermon!)it seems like all saints is trying to Spikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094593101286102305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-59222645895975455302009-04-14T13:14:00.000-07:002009-04-14T13:14:00.000-07:00(As I said elsewhere, and I apologize for repeatin...(As I said elsewhere, and I apologize for repeating myeself), <br />IF some version of this idea (Sacrificial Theology), such as 'substitutionary atonement' is the only 'orthodox' explanation; then probably 225+ million Eastern Orthodox Christians would strongly disagree. <br /><br />Sacrificial Theology has long been seen as a Western, (if now largely Calvinist) heresy by the Christian East. john iliff https://www.blogger.com/profile/02302505584191566477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-17074473668467089862009-04-13T17:49:00.000-07:002009-04-13T17:49:00.000-07:00No theologian I, but over on my blog I have a quot...No theologian I, but over on my blog I have a quotation I found from a Jan. 14, 1924 issue of Time Magazine (the article is entitled: Episcopal Theology") that I find particularly edifying in light of these theological debates. Bishop William Lawrence speaks in response to the conservative bishops who are scandalized by the denial of the Virgin Birth doctrine:<br /><br />"No discovery of sciencePriscillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810106898462541118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-58180861650921995812009-04-13T15:15:00.000-07:002009-04-13T15:15:00.000-07:00If there’s a written exam after death I’m in a lot...If there’s a written exam after death I’m in a lot of trouble, Hiram, but how do you presume to tell the world what I know? <BR/><BR/>What I have observed is that conservatives have for centuries used language such as “simply being faithful to our heritage” as license to ignore new evidence and sanction oppressive and discriminatory institutional practices.<BR/><BR/>Edward Stanton’s words at uffda51https://www.blogger.com/profile/11395027089123943228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-28212763207952974832009-04-13T06:49:00.000-07:002009-04-13T06:49:00.000-07:00First of all, I hope that you had a great Easter -...First of all, I hope that you had a great Easter - it sounds like you did from more recent posts. I certainly did. Among many other blessings, there is the joy that Jesus' being raised from the dead shows that his death was accepted by the Father as full atonement for our sin.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I noticed that when you quoted from Eucharistic Prayer C, you included "By his blood, he Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-4910335559310502572009-04-13T04:05:00.000-07:002009-04-13T04:05:00.000-07:00Dear Susan, I'm delighted that you have had such a...Dear Susan, I'm delighted that you have had such a joyful Easter, and thank you for finally explaining in more detail what you believe Jesus accomplished for us on the cross - a question which I recall asking you at about this time last year, and had given up hope of receiving a detailed response.<BR/><BR/>I can now understand better how you believe Jesus released us from fear of death by his Brian Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938619697698149146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-71588960019330501412009-04-11T14:23:00.000-07:002009-04-11T14:23:00.000-07:00“I do not have time to go into it, but I do not th...“I do not have time to go into it, but I do not think that you have an understanding of God's righteous wrath at sin.”<BR/><BR/>For those of us who lack the understanding that Hiram possesses, I have found the perfect church at which to celebrate Easter tomorrow. While browsing the Easter service notices in my local paper, all but one (including the recently renamed schismatic “St. Luke’s uffda51https://www.blogger.com/profile/11395027089123943228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-82649625440034480852009-04-11T12:59:00.000-07:002009-04-11T12:59:00.000-07:00Thanks for stopping by, Hiram. Always a pleasure!O...Thanks for stopping by, Hiram. Always a pleasure!<BR/><BR/>One question for you. Did you miss this part:<BR/><BR/><EM>"At the end of the day, we get to decide which lens to use to read the story. And I choose to use the “victory over death” lens rather than the “satisfying the vengeance of God” lens."<BR/><BR/>And so do I. And so may you. Or not. That’s the beauty of being an Anglican – or at SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-61454460192961917822009-04-11T12:46:00.000-07:002009-04-11T12:46:00.000-07:00Interesting thoughts - but I must admit to being c...Interesting thoughts - but I must admit to being curious. If the early church's proclamation was "Jesus has conquered death," why do we have Peter talking about forgiveness of sins in his speeches in Acts?<BR/><BR/>The reading from Acts concludes with Peter saying to Cornelius and his friends, "He (Jesus) commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-86833340279568594322009-04-11T07:13:00.000-07:002009-04-11T07:13:00.000-07:00It's about time the Church gets away from Penal Su...It's about time the Church gets away from Penal Substitution, Ransom, and Satisfaction. Cosmic Child Abuse has no place in Christianity. I'm a combination of Moral Influence and Christus Victor. May I recommend Joel Baker, "The Scandal of the Cross", Denny Weaver, "Non-Violent Atonement?" Marcus Borg has also written several books about Jesus that head in the same general direction.Rev. David Justin Lynchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00250968772752560668noreply@blogger.com