tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post5979231441862463854..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: Breaking Marriage Equality News From IOWA (That hotbed state of progressive liberalism)SUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-10818300410028456562007-09-04T07:17:00.000-07:002007-09-04T07:17:00.000-07:00FrMichael -- Like the judges who declared themselv...<I>FrMichael -- Like the judges who declared themselves "unelected legislators" and issued the Brown v Board of Education ruling in 1954?</I><BR/><BR/>No; in <I>Brown vs. Board of Education</I> the judges performed a properly judicial function, in that they found a local law denying a particular right in violation of a higher one (the Constitution, IMMSC) that was clearly written to protect that RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-45780047558683489062007-09-04T07:07:00.000-07:002007-09-04T07:07:00.000-07:00For the Governator to use the courts to cover his ...For the Governator to use the courts to cover his veto is just stupid, in my opinion. Not a word I use often, either. But he has every right to veto any legislation he cares to - that's part of the "checks and balances" built into our system of government.RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-29125622708754358072007-09-04T00:21:00.000-07:002007-09-04T00:21:00.000-07:00Well informed, or simply well-armed to produce pro...Well informed, or simply well-armed to produce propaganda, J?<BR/><BR/>Before you even start, I agree propaganda can come from both sides, but you don't seem to be able to recognize that it comes from your side, as well.<BR/><BR/>Also, please remember that research is only as good as the researcher's intentions -- 99% of all statistics lie.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-31163278628504556922007-09-03T13:46:00.000-07:002007-09-03T13:46:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan,I admit to ignorance on many matters, ...Rev. Susan,<BR/><BR/>I admit to ignorance on many matters, and so I'll defer to those who are well informed, in particular David Blankenhorn, who makes a massively documented case on the subject of families without fathers in his book "Fatherless America." There IS a difference between men and women! It's not just a matter of values! As for people imposing their values, well, that is exactly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-73987998405008059392007-09-03T13:01:00.000-07:002007-09-03T13:01:00.000-07:00"J" -- I do SO love it when folks start out with w..."J" -- I do SO love it when folks start out with what "I need to understand."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your concern about my "needs" ... let me return the favor.<BR/><BR/>What YOU need to understand is that there's difference between the freedom to hold biased, bigoted, ignorance infused opinions held by an individual (and expressed so well in your comment above) and the license to inflict those SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-40563757906075447352007-09-03T12:46:00.000-07:002007-09-03T12:46:00.000-07:00Rev. Susan --What you need to understand is that t...Rev. Susan --<BR/><BR/>What you need to understand is that there's a difference between rights and privileges. Privileges include benefits. Rights are things like freedom of assembly, speech, and so forth, and gays have all that. But there are very good reasons why benefits should go to mother-and-father families and not to homosexuals or unmarried heterosexuals. The cornerstone of all socialAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-3358686690414335272007-09-01T22:14:00.000-07:002007-09-01T22:14:00.000-07:00Without the courts, the south would still be segre...Without the courts, the south would still be segregated. <BR/><BR/>Without the courts, inter-racial marriage would be illegal.<BR/><BR/>spare me the arguments against "activist judges". conservatives run to the courts for relief whenever they disagree with the legislature and vice versa. <BR/><BR/>Let's not forget that "activist judges" desegregated the schools. And those good conservatives Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-26033873809831910072007-09-01T16:43:00.000-07:002007-09-01T16:43:00.000-07:00No, Proposition 22 didn't "settle" the issue of ma...No, Proposition 22 didn't "settle" the issue of marriage inequality any more than the Jim Crow laws "setttled" segregation. <BR/><BR/>And do you really, in your heart of hearts, believe that if in 1954 there had been an initiative on the ballot that "the people" would have voted to do anything other than preserve segregated schools? Of course they would have! We elect representatives to representSUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-54825869985100971252007-09-01T14:55:00.000-07:002007-09-01T14:55:00.000-07:00Susan, yes. Or those "activist judges" who had th...Susan, yes. Or those "activist judges" who had the nerve to decriminalize interracial marriage in Loving v. Virginia. Yet another example of horrific judicial overreach. :rolling my eyes:<BR/><BR/>J - I am raising two beautiful twin daughters with my partner of 16-1/2 years. Which rights, exactly, accorded automatically to married straight couples for the protection and benefit of their Lorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607439799725636481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-55682524179575224482007-09-01T13:47:00.000-07:002007-09-01T13:47:00.000-07:00Didn't Proposition 22 settle this is California? ...Didn't Proposition 22 settle this is California? The voters have spoken .... why do the courts or the legislature need to say anymore?<BR/><BR/>We love democracy when the vote swings our way, but loath it when the outcome is not in our favor. Then we become supreme backers of the representative republic or judicial activism. <BR/><BR/>Put the issue back on the ballot and try again!Bateau Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17641991475361553674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-8405302156375609272007-09-01T07:45:00.000-07:002007-09-01T07:45:00.000-07:00I'm also from CA and agree with the Governator was...I'm also from CA and agree with the Governator was crazy to make that statement. He should have stood by his principles and either sign or veto the bill and be man enough to take the flak.<BR/><BR/>FrMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-35193360041033902922007-08-31T16:39:00.000-07:002007-08-31T16:39:00.000-07:00PS -- And remember, I come from the state where ou...PS -- And remember, I come from the state where our legislature actually PASSED marriage equality legislation that was vetoed by our governor who said it was a MATTER FOR THE COURTS TO DECIDE!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>How crazy making is THAT???SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-35333351375834800522007-08-31T16:21:00.000-07:002007-08-31T16:21:00.000-07:00FrMichael -- Like the judges who declared themselv...FrMichael -- Like the judges who declared themselves "unelected legislators" and issued the Brown v Board of Education ruling in 1954?<BR/><BR/>J -- "Gays have all the liberty they need?" Tell that to GLBT couples who are denied over 1100 civil rights their heterosexual married counterparts enjoy.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-19300709136008333592007-08-31T15:27:00.000-07:002007-08-31T15:27:00.000-07:00This has nothing to do with liberty and justice. ...This has nothing to do with liberty and justice. Marriage is a form of support that society gives in the form of benefits. Gays have all the liberty they need. It isn't just to give benefits that encourage people to harm themselves and their prospective partners, while diluting the system of benefits given to those who create mother-and-father families. -- JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-77586799122594369452007-08-31T13:57:00.000-07:002007-08-31T13:57:00.000-07:00It figures that you would rejoice in judicial tyra...It figures that you would rejoice in judicial tyranny imposing one judge's personal opinion over the laws of a state. Looks like the judge realized that his overreach of judicial review was going to have real ramifications (i.e. impeachment of his sorry behind) and stayed his ruling.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully this becomes a political issue that drives some of the Democrats from the Iowa State House. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-7751174543189220742007-08-31T11:13:00.000-07:002007-08-31T11:13:00.000-07:00Of course it won't last ... will likely go the way...Of course it won't last ... will likely go the way of the San Francisco moment-in-the-sun ... but it should be a source of encouragment to those working for liberty and justice for ALL in this country that you don't have to live on one of the coasts to "get it."SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.com