tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post8169211276155047837..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: A Bishop for ChicagoSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-61441611381753414812007-08-31T03:26:00.000-07:002007-08-31T03:26:00.000-07:00Thank God that the Episcopal church/Anglican Commu...Thank God that the Episcopal church/Anglican Communion was not the final arbiter of the decision whether or not to end slavery. If we can continue to endorse injustice and oppression because the consequences of standing against it are controvery and the departure of those who wish to continue in their discrimination, then we can hardly call ourselves followers of Christ. I don't recall Christ Lorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607439799725636481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-29290993880801902802007-08-30T23:31:00.000-07:002007-08-30T23:31:00.000-07:00Sorry, Mr. Desper, but you've given in to the anti...Sorry, Mr. Desper, but you've given in to the anti-gay "agenda" -- a worldview which says, quite explicitly, "We don't care what you say about your own lives, we know better!" That is truly unequaled ARROGANCE. <BR/><BR/>Maybe your version of "what God says" works for you -- huzzah, if it does -- but don't make the assumption that that means he hasn't been speaking to the rest of us. <BR/><BR/>MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-26090422738810994582007-08-30T12:35:00.000-07:002007-08-30T12:35:00.000-07:00I checked out the link you left to Elizabeth Keato...I checked out the link you left to Elizabeth Keaton's blog. I found this comment interesting:<BR/><BR/>"Never mind B033. It not only has no canonical standing, it is, at this point, nothing more than a bad memory."<BR/><BR/>So. General Convention passes a resolution and a year later it's to be simply ignored? So much for General Convention then, eh?RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-3460465095226802982007-08-29T19:39:00.000-07:002007-08-29T19:39:00.000-07:00For 'suzer':To me this debate is one where nothing...For 'suzer':<BR/><BR/>To me this debate is one where nothing less than final and total capitulation to the pro-gay agendas will suffice. Answer after answer after answer has been given by the Communion for 30 years and when the answer isn't satisfactory then there is the tactic of continuously wearing out the question by yet more reprising of the arguments.<BR/>Point of Focus: this debate really Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-48126945109342566872007-08-29T14:19:00.000-07:002007-08-29T14:19:00.000-07:00I'm the "second" anonymous (I think) who is sick o...I'm the "second" anonymous (I think) who is sick of the vitriol on Titus One NIne. I apologize, but I don't have a google blogger account and I haven't figured out how to get this to say anything except "anonymous." Please have pity on us technologically challenged folk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-37212132220211586372007-08-29T14:05:00.000-07:002007-08-29T14:05:00.000-07:00I echo Jim's comments. Our job as delegates to th...I echo Jim's comments. Our job as delegates to the Diocesean Convention of the Diocese of Chicago will be to choose that person who we think will do the best job of performing the office of Bishop of Chicago, not to advance the cause of any particular advocacy group.RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-45240319386254096342007-08-29T14:02:00.000-07:002007-08-29T14:02:00.000-07:00Thanks for the links, Susan. I'll be using them t...Thanks for the links, Susan. I'll be using them to inform my vote.RonFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533867151466876449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-45369965342690092842007-08-29T13:14:00.000-07:002007-08-29T13:14:00.000-07:00Hi Doug. Thank you for making things a bit more c...Hi Doug. Thank you for making things a bit more clear -- I do appreciate it. :)<BR/><BR/>I think the difficulty with diverging viewpoints, especially on this issue, is that we tend to let ourselves start name calling without really listening to each other. That goes for both "sides." Do you have any suggestions for the pro-inclusivity folks (which I am a part of) about approaching folks like Suzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03529580138314011952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-73571915921868024302007-08-29T12:34:00.000-07:002007-08-29T12:34:00.000-07:00If we are talking about last Sunday’s sermon by To...If we are talking about last Sunday’s sermon by Tom Safford, I am confused by the references to “pretty preachers,” “encounter groups” and “whatever.” I missed the egocentric references and mannerisms.<BR/><BR/>Tim Safford has been away from ASC for 8 ½ years. We’ve had a lot of new members since then. If I remember correctly, total attendance on Easter this year was 3600+. Tim took a moment to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-44327925882744058492007-08-29T10:36:00.000-07:002007-08-29T10:36:00.000-07:00I was the first "Anonymous", the guy who wonders w...I was the first "Anonymous", the guy who wonders with what ease the LBGT advocates dismiss the Anglican Communion.<BR/>To me it seems like Americentrism(or at least egocentrism) to suggest that the majority of the Anglican Communion (including 100 % of the Primates)are somehow wrong / bigoted /unjust / ill-educated and the loud pro-gay North American voices are so much more "right". THAT is TRULYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-14968784771893749552007-08-29T09:58:00.000-07:002007-08-29T09:58:00.000-07:00Just a friendly note to the anonymous folks -- it ...Just a friendly note to the anonymous folks -- it would really help me (and maybe others) if you would identify yourselves in some way. Even "anonymous A" or "anonymous 1" would be helpful. It gets confusing with so many anonymous comments, and is good blog etiquette to distinguish yourself in some way from other commenters, even if you still want to remain unidentifiable. Rev. Russell may Suzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03529580138314011952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-86729273780522271362007-08-29T07:07:00.000-07:002007-08-29T07:07:00.000-07:00The question is really whether people want to see ...The question is really whether people want to see further decline of the Episcopal Church in Chicago, and it's a foregone conclusion that putting a lesbian in as bishop will achieve that. Frank Griswold, whose erstwhile diocese declined by about 30,000 during his time as PB, bravely spoke of doubling the denomination by 2010, but instead people walk away in their thousands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-23560390541789814682007-08-29T00:03:00.000-07:002007-08-29T00:03:00.000-07:00I don't think it's so much that we dismissed the A...I don't think it's so much that we dismissed the AC as that a certain portion of the AC has chosen irrelevance, chosen form over faith. If the AC, under the ABC's leadership wishes to align with this fearfilled "orthodoxy," that's the AC's choice.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-89606486028319530262007-08-28T21:35:00.000-07:002007-08-28T21:35:00.000-07:00I will be attending the Chicago convention as a de...I will be attending the Chicago convention as a delegate. Funny, I am not interested in "dismissing the Anglican Communion," I am interested in finding a bishop for Chicago. <BR/><BR/>When we vote, we will be looking for the person who can lead us, we will be asking the Spirit to guide us. You know, like they did ( I hope ) in S. Carolina.<BR/><BR/>IF we elect a woman who happens to be lesbianJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-90010159585891351032007-08-28T20:02:00.000-07:002007-08-28T20:02:00.000-07:00Like too many, Fr. Safford seems to utilize his se...Like too many, Fr. Safford seems to utilize his sermon time as an "encounter group" to conjure "whatever". Note the early prolonged egocentric references and mannerisms that call attention to the human rather than the divine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-20611165201130317282007-08-28T19:01:00.000-07:002007-08-28T19:01:00.000-07:00Frankly at this point, I really don't care anymore...Frankly at this point, I really don't care anymore about who says or does what, and am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the church as a whole is nothing but a large joke.<BR/><BR/>Is it any wonder that the newspapers and writers have no problem making fun of "Christians"???<BR/><BR/>Sign me: Why bother?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-32016132171976088602007-08-28T18:32:00.000-07:002007-08-28T18:32:00.000-07:00I have to say i was shocked -- shocked! -- that th...I have to say i was shocked -- shocked! -- that the comment on TitusOneNine was called out. After trying to respond there and being told I was not a Christian more times than I can count, I gave up. Maybe they are trying to clean up their act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-32507623539955723642007-08-28T14:13:00.000-07:002007-08-28T14:13:00.000-07:00anonymous ... I plead bad grammar.It should more c...<STRONG>anonymous</STRONG> ... I plead bad grammar.<BR/><BR/>It should more clearly have read: <BR/><BR/>"I am allowing myself to be amused that over at Stand Firm (the site a clever colleague calles "Bullies On Viagra") the anti-feminist venom being unleashed on Margaret Rose actually trumps the homophobic reaction to Tracey Lind. <BR/><BR/>[And on titusonenine]Commenters are wondering whether SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-86058287402268194632007-08-28T13:50:00.000-07:002007-08-28T13:50:00.000-07:00Now Susan, its not proper to malign Stand Firm wit...Now Susan, its not proper to malign Stand Firm with a comment on TitusOneNine. The pondering if any on the list were Christian was on T19 & it was Elf-spanked, but not Stand Firm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-48378046178392313162007-08-28T13:38:00.000-07:002007-08-28T13:38:00.000-07:00Actually, "anonymous" it's about being willing to ...Actually, <STRONG>"anonymous"</STRONG> it's about being willing to be DISMISSED by those in the Anglican Communion who are willing to choose bigotry over the baptized.<BR/><BR/>Different thing altogether, that!SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-28797275653388663062007-08-28T13:30:00.000-07:002007-08-28T13:30:00.000-07:00Well, at least one knows where the LBGT advocates ...Well, at least one knows where the LBGT advocates stand. It's all about dismissing the Anglican Communion, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com