tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post9003619535222298253..comments2024-02-21T03:20:21.898-08:00Comments on An Inch At A Time: Reflections on the Journey: The Bishop of Los AngelesSUSAN RUSSELLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-37881077760486594832008-08-07T14:05:00.000-07:002008-08-07T14:05:00.000-07:00+Rowan's private views on gay 'marriage', and his ...+Rowan's private views on gay 'marriage', and his public stance on trying to hold the Communion together are 'nuanced'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-65896245299454840262008-08-07T06:13:00.000-07:002008-08-07T06:13:00.000-07:00"this is a black-and-white issue of equality, whic..."this is a black-and-white issue of equality, which doesn't allow a more nuanced approach which respects the consciences of others."<BR/><BR/>Just curious; what is the "nuanced" way to deal with bigotry?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-3744584872945237242008-08-06T08:14:00.000-07:002008-08-06T08:14:00.000-07:00For the US Church, this is a black-and-white issue...<I>For the US Church, this is a black-and-white issue of equality, which doesn't allow a more nuanced approach which respects the consciences of others.</I><BR/><BR/>Father,<BR/>I have to disagree with this characterization of the situation in the US Church. First, while I wish it were true that it is "a black and white issue of equality" for the whole church, it isn't in fact the case that we WilliamKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00243253445305561046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-55717667454690654332008-08-06T07:29:00.000-07:002008-08-06T07:29:00.000-07:00Well, no actually. The US is not insisting anyone...Well, no actually. The US is not insisting anyone else have gay bishops (or woman bishops for that matter)--that would be wrong. But others are saying that the US can't have gay bishops. <BR/><BR/>That's the black and white.<BR/><BR/>ITIThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-52659498274029543282008-08-06T00:16:00.000-07:002008-08-06T00:16:00.000-07:00Perhaps "rules" should be replaced with "proposals...Perhaps "rules" should be replaced with "proposals".<BR/>Of course TEC can do what it wants. Personally I'm happy with gay Bishops, but inclusion in a world-wide Communion in which they are contentious is another matter.<BR/>For the US Church, this is a black-and-white issue of equality, which doesn't allow a more nuanced approach which respects the consciences of others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-43536797510978941292008-08-05T21:16:00.000-07:002008-08-05T21:16:00.000-07:00Father, do you always let the purple shirts do you...Father, do you always let the purple shirts do your thinking for you?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-17446887359165854062008-08-05T19:39:00.000-07:002008-08-05T19:39:00.000-07:00Father David wrote:It's not that I can't "handle i...Father David wrote:<BR/><I>It's not that I can't "handle it" jcf.<BR/>I don't make the rules: it's what's been proposed at Lambeth.</I><BR/><BR/>Father,<BR/>"I don't make the rules" sounds painfully like "I was only following orders". Why not take responsibility for your convictions instead of appealing to "rules"? In any case, no "rules" were made at Lambeth. The conference doesn't, in fact, WilliamKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00243253445305561046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-45133774918412903972008-08-05T17:43:00.000-07:002008-08-05T17:43:00.000-07:00No gay bishops? Then no divorced bishops, right?!...No gay bishops? Then no divorced bishops, right?! <BR/><BR/>Oh, wait a minute....<BR/> <BR/>Hmmmm......<BR/><BR/>ITIThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-1880996398229825072008-08-05T08:07:00.000-07:002008-08-05T08:07:00.000-07:00It's not that I can't "handle it" jcf.I don't make...It's not that I can't "handle it" jcf.<BR/>I don't make the rules: it's what's been proposed at Lambeth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-31615126409939847402008-08-04T21:37:00.000-07:002008-08-04T21:37:00.000-07:00You can include everybody but you can't make them ...<I>You can include everybody but you can't make them a Bishop</I><BR/><BR/>That's a really silly Straw Man, Father David.<BR/><BR/>No one's talking about "making everybody a bishop". The question is whether TEC may <B>call</B> Godly, <I>honest</I> bishops---through our democratic polity---or whether we must deny God's call of some, <I>because somebody somewhere is offended</I> (and usually, <I>JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-71731602770154824002008-08-04T15:20:00.000-07:002008-08-04T15:20:00.000-07:00You can include everybody but you can't make them ...You can include everybody but you can't make them a BishopAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-13231340117401037842008-08-04T09:45:00.000-07:002008-08-04T09:45:00.000-07:00If it were up to me, I'd prefer that our diocesan ...If it were up to me, I'd prefer that our diocesan convention INSTRUCT our delegates to the General Convention to support an affirmative statement that blessing of same-sex unions (marriages in states which permit them) should become the practice in TEC and that there will be no "moratorium" on full inclusion of GLBT Episcopalians.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17547673802645392683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-57641081336302035092008-08-03T21:32:00.000-07:002008-08-03T21:32:00.000-07:00Hope +Bruno will talk to others in the ECUSA.Hope +Bruno will talk to others in the ECUSA.SCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162762233972733978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-3889428261776777582008-08-03T21:22:00.000-07:002008-08-03T21:22:00.000-07:00Susan, please give +Jon our heartfelt thanks for h...Susan, please give +Jon our <B>heartfelt thanks</B> for his witness!JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-71763783113708769002008-08-03T19:16:00.000-07:002008-08-03T19:16:00.000-07:00glad to hear this...glad to hear this...Canyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14737285360280766111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-75803063389351105942008-08-03T15:00:00.000-07:002008-08-03T15:00:00.000-07:00Let's hope The General Convention can make inclusi...Let's hope The General Convention can make inclusion more of a reality in the entire Episcopal church!Brian Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01067731769354625489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21609676.post-62026335331578163072008-08-03T11:28:00.000-07:002008-08-03T11:28:00.000-07:00That's the Jon Bruno I have known and admired for ...That's the Jon Bruno I have known and admired for many years. The strange events of his election seem more and more to have been the workings of grace in hindsight!Hugo Schwyzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06759950459313570493noreply@blogger.com